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CoachChappy
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Iron technology
I think we can all agree that new driver tech has slowed down dramatically in the past 10 years or so. The need to upgrade is not as great as it was when manufacturers were switching materials, clubs sizes and designs.

What about irons?

No doubt, manufacturers are jacking lofts. You can gain 10 yards on your old set!! Well not shit, my new 7 irons is lofted like my old 5.

Is the technology changing year to year or has it slowed down like drivers? Is it worth upgrading a 3-5 year old set? Discuss


Full disclosure: I am turning into a club whore quickly. I am currently considering trading my 2014 Callaway Apex Pros for some 2016 M2 tours.
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ell_13
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I think we can all agree that new driver tech has slowed down dramatically in the past 10 years or so.
In distance when you hit the center, no. But I think they are 10 times more forgiving. That's where the tech has come a long way.
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Is the technology changing year to year or has it slowed down like drivers? Is it worth upgrading a 3-5 year old set? Discuss
I got chastised here for saying that the blades from 10 years ago are exactly like the blades today. So that's where I stand on irons, too. Jacking lofts and moving weight down to keep the height is about all that's changed imo.


CoachChappy
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moving weight down to keep the height is about all that's changed imo.


I guess I'm in the minority of players who naturally hit the ball very high. All the new clubs are saying more yardage, more forgiveness, and higher launch. Well, what about us guys who need the forgiveness, but need help keeping it down?

From what I understand, that is the difference in the regular and tour models of most clubs. But I could be and probably am wrong.


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I got chastised here for saying that the blades from 10 years ago are exactly like the blades today
They absolutely are.

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So that's where I stand on irons, too. Jacking lofts and moving weight down to keep the height is about all that's changed imo.

What about all the face tech going on now? Do channels and slots etc. make for any spring? Has there been any objective orange to orange initial velocity testing?


ell_13
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Well, what about us guys who need the forgiveness, but need help keeping it down?
What they don't tell you about all of this is LESS SPIN. Like you said, what's the point of your 7 iron flying and spinning like your old 5? So you can tell your buddies you are hitting a 7 on a par 3 from 190 out? Cool. Now you have even fewer clubs to handle the gaps between 190 and 60. I don't get it either.

Here's what I'm looking for: My 180 yd shot to spin enough to hold a green without having to fly 50 yds in the air and be taken offline. I don't care what number is on the club. That should should spin around 6000 for me. If it's a 7 or a 6, idc. That, along with feel, was my main focus when I upgraded my irons this past summer.


ell_13
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Do channels and slots etc. make for any spring? Has there been any objective orange to orange initial velocity testing?
As far as I've seen, cavity back is cavity back and there are certain tricks to move weight around while keeping the face strong enough to handle being hit 10k times. I think tungsten was a big step being able to add that to the forging since it's a high density metal. But in general, I don't buy into the "channel" and "slot" nonsense.


CoachChappy
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One of the things I am reading is that they are upping the lofts, because the launch angles are going to be higher. Does that mean with the added length that my old 7 at 33 will go the same as a new one at 30?

Control of spin also seems to be the biggest part of the upgrade.


ell_13
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Right. So when more weight is added to the bottom of the head, it launches the ball higher. So a 30* lofted club will have the same launch as a 32 or 33* lofted club. But the spin is lower so it travels farther. And that also means they aren't as easy to "control" either by trying to hit draws/fades and holding a green. Some of this can be offset with shaft, but then you may be getting something that doesn't really fit your swing speed/tempo. Or you could be hitting a ball that makes all of that pointless.


CoachChappy
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I get it now. I don’t spin the ball much to start, but I hit it so damn high it doesn’t matter really. If it has rained in the few days before a round, I’ll plug it in the green (if I hit the green with an iron)


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Placebeaux
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When it comes to irons it's either pre pingeye2 or post pingeye2. Everything since has been a copy.


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LOL ... I know some M2 Tours you’re considering!


CoachChappy
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LOL ... I know some M2 Tours you’re considering!

Wait, have I been emailing you back and forth about those M2s? I have IRL names on email and forget the screen names.
There is a guy I play with regularly who wants to sell me his set. I am trying them out Saturday.
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malvin
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Give me those apex pros baw

ETA: I have a vintage golf bag I'll trade you for the irons. I think you'll like it
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CoachChappy
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Is it by any chance a Bud Light bag?


malvin
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There is a chance it is in fact a bud light bag


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TaderSalad
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I wouldnt classify moving weight as technology. A moveable weight, yes, but simply reallocating weight lower to launch it higher is just learning more about physics.


I think new tech comes in the form of crossover/DI types. That and maybe the thermopolymer iron jizz that TM/PXG is selling


CoachChappy
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but simply reallocating weight lower to launch it higher is just learning more about physics.

I don’t want to get picky, but learning more about a field of science and applying it to equipment would be the definition of technology.

“Technology is the collection of techniques, skills, methods, and processes used in the production of goods or services or in the accomplishment of objectives, such as scientific investigation.”


ell_13
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The hollow heads aren’t really new but I think the tech is good and worthy of mention. But you get the same issues. The 0311s lofts are jacked too. And while they were some of the best feeling, yet forgiving, clubs I’ve ever hit, they suffered from the same spin problems I was seeing with other GI Irons.

And to be clear that has a lot to do with my swing. I’m trying to hit a draw usually and that cuts the number down. Need some help bumping it back up. And things are totally opposite with the driver. I need help lowering spin.


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Warfarer
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From what I understand, that is the difference in the regular and tour models of most clubs. But I could be and probably am wrong.



Most tour model clubs, especially the woods, are just accurately measured. there are a few websites that are essentially tour trailers and hand measure every head they get in and match it to exactly what players want. If you go out and buy a 10.5 degree driver it could be anywhere from 9 to 12 degrees and head have different weights too although the tolerance is smaller.

As for the OP question, technology only gets you so far. Davis Love III was one of the biggest drivers on tour for a long time and he was still using persimmon. He couldn't compete with the guys of today with 45 to 47" drivers that are built to bomb the ball but he was a generation behind everyone else and keeping up. As for irons, old blades still hit pretty damn good. Odds are, I could take my 30 year old Hogan Apex blades out today, hit a bucket a balls on the range and wear out 95% of this board on the course after. I play 1 or 2 times a year and still play nothing but blades and won't play anything else.


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