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Posted on 7/4/13 at 11:19 pm to Mr Gardoki
I would go to ebay and find a 7950 for $200 before I spent that on a 7870 again.
I wish I would have done that when I bought mine and am considering selling my card to do so. I already sold the Gigabyte this week for $200. Just have the Sapphire left.
I wish I would have done that when I bought mine and am considering selling my card to do so. I already sold the Gigabyte this week for $200. Just have the Sapphire left.
Posted on 7/4/13 at 11:24 pm to Mr Gardoki
Posted on 7/4/13 at 11:26 pm to stout
I bet that wont push bf4 to its limits. 
I want to be able to run it on ultra at 60 frames at least.
I want to be able to run it on ultra at 60 frames at least.
Posted on 7/4/13 at 11:28 pm to finchmeister08
Not close. That's very entry level and for less demanding games.
Posted on 7/4/13 at 11:39 pm to stout
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You would be better off cutting back on that mobo and ram and getting the 8350.
8320 is barely any slower and overclocks well
Why not a 990FX board? If he wants to add another GC in the future it's the only way to go. No way I would sacrifice going down to a 970 board. That's just basically one of the cheapest and very good 1866 sets. I'd MUCH rather the better ram and mobo over a slightly faster CPU that is exactly the same in every other way. Plus he said he's running CAD, why cheapen the mem?
This post was edited on 7/4/13 at 11:43 pm
Posted on 7/4/13 at 11:59 pm to thunderbird1100
Unless he is using an APU, you will not notice the difference in 1600 vs 1866 ram outside of maybe scores on passmark. You can also OC that 1600 to 1866 if you truly wanted to.
That mobo I linked has all he needs and is Crossfire ready if he wants to do so in the future. If he goes Nvidia and wants to SLI than a different board would be needed. He can spend more on one if he wishes but that board I linked is a step above basic that fills all current and future needs without breaking the bank. What features does that Gigabyte have that makes it worth $50 more?
LINK
As far as that 8320 vs the 8350 scroll down to 3D modeling and tell me that isn't a big difference. That's something to consider since he said he is also going to be using it for Cad.
LINK
That's not to mention the 8350 will reach 4.4 on air fairly easy.
I would much rather put the $50 off that board into a more powerful CPU. The features between it and the one I linked are not anything that's going to increase his overall performance like a CPU will.
A few USB and audio plug ins on a board and 1866 vs 1600 ram is not going to bottleneck a system as bad as a CPU can.
ETA: He would possibly be better served with more memory over faster memory for Cad.
ETA 2: Yep
Ram speed in Cad doesn't matter as much as size.
That mobo I linked has all he needs and is Crossfire ready if he wants to do so in the future. If he goes Nvidia and wants to SLI than a different board would be needed. He can spend more on one if he wishes but that board I linked is a step above basic that fills all current and future needs without breaking the bank. What features does that Gigabyte have that makes it worth $50 more?
LINK
As far as that 8320 vs the 8350 scroll down to 3D modeling and tell me that isn't a big difference. That's something to consider since he said he is also going to be using it for Cad.
LINK
That's not to mention the 8350 will reach 4.4 on air fairly easy.
I would much rather put the $50 off that board into a more powerful CPU. The features between it and the one I linked are not anything that's going to increase his overall performance like a CPU will.
A few USB and audio plug ins on a board and 1866 vs 1600 ram is not going to bottleneck a system as bad as a CPU can.
ETA: He would possibly be better served with more memory over faster memory for Cad.
ETA 2: Yep
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How Much RAM Should You Buy for a CAD Workstation?
Performance versus Budget
To achieve solid performance within a reasonable budget, that sweet spot today is likely between 6 GB and 16 GB of DDR3 1333-MHz RAM. DDR3 is third generation, dual-data rate memory technology, with Intel’s current platforms centered on 1333-MHz clock frequency — and it’s really your best memory option these days.
Ram speed in Cad doesn't matter as much as size.
This post was edited on 7/5/13 at 12:18 am
Posted on 7/5/13 at 11:12 am to stout
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Unless he is using an APU, you will not notice the difference in 1600 vs 1866 ram outside of maybe scores on passmark. You can also OC that 1600 to 1866 if you truly wanted to.
That's all fine and dandy as long as the 1600 ram is good. I honestly havent checked price differences in 1866 and 1600 ram recently. If it's not more than $10 I'd still go 1866. If it's $20, then the 1600 would make sense.
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That mobo I linked has all he needs and is Crossfire ready if he wants to do so in the future. If he goes Nvidia and wants to SLI than a different board would be needed. He can spend more on one if he wishes but that board I linked is a step above basic that fills all current and future needs without breaking the bank. What features does that Gigabyte have that makes it worth $50 more?
The 990FX has 2 PCI-E that can run at full 16x speed. The 970 has 1 that runs 16x and the other 4x. That alone is why I would go 990FX like as I said if he wanted to add another GC in the future. He wont be limited by running the 2nd card in a 4x lane. I'm thinking long term here, a 990FX board is just much more flexible.
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That's not to mention the 8350 will reach 4.4 on air fairly easy.
And the 8320 almost alaways will overclock right up on the heels of an 8350. When you O/C both the 8350 gets diminished quickly. Usually you arent going to see over 200mhz more when both are overlocked going from the 8320 to 8350...that's when I feel the 8350 is not worth the extra 25% over the 8320. 500mhz difference, sure, the extra money well wroth spent. Overclock both, you see typically only 200mhz more with the 8350. Not worth the extra 25% at all.
Posted on 7/5/13 at 11:19 am to thunderbird1100
I am calling BS that the 8320 even comes close to going from 3.5 to 4.4 on air.
Posted on 7/5/13 at 11:23 am to stout
I wish i knew what all this jargon meant.
Posted on 7/5/13 at 11:28 am to finchmeister08
I do but neither one of them are wrong, they are just coming from different points of view.
Posted on 7/5/13 at 11:28 am to thunderbird1100
OK now how about running it at that all of the time? I bet the temps are out of control for long gaming sessions. That's a long way to push it and constantly run it on air. I can push my 8350 on air to 4.6 but that doesn't mean I would run it like that all of the time.
Posted on 7/5/13 at 11:32 am to finchmeister08
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I wish i knew what all this jargon meant.
That's the other thing...Finch is a novice and just wants a system to play on. I doubt he will be doing much OC'ing anyway and with that in mind at stock the 8350 will be better IMO.
Posted on 7/5/13 at 11:33 am to stout
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OK now how about running it at that all of the time? I bet the temps are out of control for long gaming sessions. That's a long way to push it and constantly run it on air. I can push my 8350 on air to 4.6 but that doesn't mean I would run it like that all of the time.
My point is all things equal you're going to see maybe 200mhz or so more with an 8350 over and 8320 when overclocking. Be that a simple POST, booting into windows and taking a screenshot in CPU-Z or running it 24/7 Prime 95 torture tested. When all things are equal in any case, you dont see much more at all from the 8350 over the 8320.
Stock for stock, the 8350 is a noticeable upgrade, but my point was once you overclock both, the 8320 is a much better value. Keep in mind the 8320 is $145 right now vs. the 8350 which is almost $50 more. That's significantly more cost for not much more performance when both are overclocked.
Posted on 7/5/13 at 11:35 am to stout
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That's the other thing...Finch is a novice and just wants a system to play on. I doubt he will be doing much OC'ing anyway and with that in mind at stock the 8350 will be better IMO.
Overclocking is super easy these days. If he's building his own computer he can get into the bios, up the voltage a tiny bit, and try some multiplier overclocking. No harm no foul and free performance. The FX are useless not overclocked IMO.
Posted on 7/5/13 at 11:37 am to thunderbird1100
Fair enough but when people on here ask for build help I always set it up as if they aren't going to OC anyway. If they need help figuring a system and are new to it all it's a fairly safe assumption they won't OC much if at all. With that in mind you are better figuring what will work best for them at stock within their budget.
Just my opinion.
Just my opinion.
Posted on 7/5/13 at 11:38 am to thunderbird1100
I say we let him decide if he wants to oc or xfire.
Posted on 7/5/13 at 11:40 am to thunderbird1100
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If he's building his own computer he can get into the bios, up the voltage a tiny bit, and try some multiplier overclocking.
Using the factory boost overclock is one thing but you act as if going beyond that isn't going to be out of the grasp of some people. It is. Not everyone is going to understand voltage, temps, and testing it all in Prime95.
Posted on 7/5/13 at 11:43 am to stout
The way I see it is this. If I'm building a computer for someone, then stock is I know the way it will stay, and keep that in mind.
If that person is building it themselves though, I feel as if they're on an enthusiast enough level that they can overclock some comfortably. I mean, once again, overclocking the proc. some is pretty easy. Hell, some boards even have "Easy" over clocking that will do it some for you.
If that person is building it themselves though, I feel as if they're on an enthusiast enough level that they can overclock some comfortably. I mean, once again, overclocking the proc. some is pretty easy. Hell, some boards even have "Easy" over clocking that will do it some for you.
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