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FF16 game thread non spoiler
Posted on 6/1/23 at 4:16 am
Posted on 6/1/23 at 4:16 am
We now know the demo will start the player at the very beginning of the game and most of what has been shown a lot in the trailers will be in the 2 hour ish demo which will be able to load into the main game. Its expected to come the 6th or 11th at the latest. There is no DLC coming you get what you buy. There isnt a patch coming the game has gone gold for months now. The demo from all I am hearing also includes the training arena for the limited amount of enemies that are in that two hour span allowing you to train on any of them at any speed tracking your combo inputs or forcing them to react in whatever way you want them to so you can get better.
Reasons FF16 will be the only competition for Zelda for game of the year:
1. The game development has been consistent. No major changes or drama.
2. No plans of DLC at launch. It's a complete package on launch.
3. It was dubbed and mocap English first. No more questionable mannerism and anime grunts.
4. PS5 as the limitation. Hardware bond by current gen console and nothing less.
5. Plenty of information revealed to make informed decision.
6. Game was declared Gold months before released.
7. No day one patch.
8. Demo scheduled to be released prior to launch.
9. First Mature rated in the series not bound by ratings for cinematic experience.
10. Developers are actively listening to the fan base and made adjustments based on it.
Anyone bemoaning the move to full on character action I feel for you, but you still have the 7 remake series. This is going to be a game of thrones dark fantasy revenge quest likely where we kill god or become gods. It needed to be visceral + that’s what 18-35 says they want. FF9 remake will almost certainly not be full on character action like 16 either simply because it’s high fantasy setting and tone lends itself to something less in your face.
Rebirth news in post below
Reasons FF16 will be the only competition for Zelda for game of the year:
1. The game development has been consistent. No major changes or drama.
2. No plans of DLC at launch. It's a complete package on launch.
3. It was dubbed and mocap English first. No more questionable mannerism and anime grunts.
4. PS5 as the limitation. Hardware bond by current gen console and nothing less.
5. Plenty of information revealed to make informed decision.
6. Game was declared Gold months before released.
7. No day one patch.
8. Demo scheduled to be released prior to launch.
9. First Mature rated in the series not bound by ratings for cinematic experience.
10. Developers are actively listening to the fan base and made adjustments based on it.
Anyone bemoaning the move to full on character action I feel for you, but you still have the 7 remake series. This is going to be a game of thrones dark fantasy revenge quest likely where we kill god or become gods. It needed to be visceral + that’s what 18-35 says they want. FF9 remake will almost certainly not be full on character action like 16 either simply because it’s high fantasy setting and tone lends itself to something less in your face.
Rebirth news in post below
This post was edited on 6/29/23 at 1:54 pm
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Posted on 6/1/23 at 3:29 pm to td01241
I am excited for this game.
Posted on 6/1/23 at 3:31 pm to McCaigBro69
I was shocked to learn what the demo actually is and its roughly 2 hours long. Ya know the huge shiva titan battle they show every trailer? Game opens there im guessin in media res, then we get to play out the entire young clive timeline including getting to play as joshua in his half eikon form during the seige or whatever happens to their household.
I also went and read the description on my deluxe preorder it talks about clives quest for revenge on ifrit. I was under the impression he was ifrit. This games narrative is gonna be sick.
I have a feeling almost all of what has been shown is within the first 2/5 of the game completely out of context on purpose. No one knows what is actually going to happen even if we think we have seen it shown clearly.
One thing im certain of is Odins dominant is gonna be the Seymour of this game. The big bad below the biggest bad who I wouldnt be shocked is actually Clive.
I also went and read the description on my deluxe preorder it talks about clives quest for revenge on ifrit. I was under the impression he was ifrit. This games narrative is gonna be sick.
I have a feeling almost all of what has been shown is within the first 2/5 of the game completely out of context on purpose. No one knows what is actually going to happen even if we think we have seen it shown clearly.
One thing im certain of is Odins dominant is gonna be the Seymour of this game. The big bad below the biggest bad who I wouldnt be shocked is actually Clive.
This post was edited on 6/1/23 at 3:40 pm
Posted on 6/1/23 at 6:41 pm to td01241
The demo is showing up on the ps servers for some people!!! screenshots all over twitter. I still think itll drop the 11th but its uploaded snd they could shadow drop it any second.
Posted on 6/1/23 at 6:42 pm to td01241
youtube
this video goes over it and also gives evidence to my claim that 80% ish of trailer footage is all from first 6 hours of the game which many people have played via invite to LA from SE
LINK
ign exclusive link above of a lvl 24 clive fighting an boss named "liquid flame" all alone with torgul and its a 6 min fight. We did see snippits of this in a trailer where Jill/Shiva intervenes. This is one of the first pure uncut just gameplay with in game sound we have seen. This game is fricking sick
this video goes over it and also gives evidence to my claim that 80% ish of trailer footage is all from first 6 hours of the game which many people have played via invite to LA from SE
LINK
ign exclusive link above of a lvl 24 clive fighting an boss named "liquid flame" all alone with torgul and its a 6 min fight. We did see snippits of this in a trailer where Jill/Shiva intervenes. This is one of the first pure uncut just gameplay with in game sound we have seen. This game is fricking sick
This post was edited on 6/1/23 at 6:50 pm
Posted on 6/2/23 at 9:50 am to td01241
I am happy to see an offline Final Fantasy return to medieval fantasy for the first time since 12. After his work on FFXIV, I trust Naoki Yoshida to deliver a great game.
I just don't think it will be a good Final Fantasy game.
I have been extremely disappointed in what I've heard from him through regarding the team's view on JRPGs. SquareEnix sounds a lot like 2010-era Capcom these days where they are so desperately attempting to appeal to the west.
At most, Final Fantasy needs consistency. The franchise has been floundering since FFX with SquareEnix seemingly have no idea what type of game Final Fantasy should be. If this new direction works for Final Fantasy then by all means lets develop a few mainline Final Fantasy games in a similar vein before we completely redesign the entire style of the game such as has been done in the past.
I just don't think it will be a good Final Fantasy game.
I have been extremely disappointed in what I've heard from him through regarding the team's view on JRPGs. SquareEnix sounds a lot like 2010-era Capcom these days where they are so desperately attempting to appeal to the west.
At most, Final Fantasy needs consistency. The franchise has been floundering since FFX with SquareEnix seemingly have no idea what type of game Final Fantasy should be. If this new direction works for Final Fantasy then by all means lets develop a few mainline Final Fantasy games in a similar vein before we completely redesign the entire style of the game such as has been done in the past.
Posted on 6/2/23 at 1:09 pm to BulldogXero
I’m not being pedantic but let me pose you a question. What makes a Final Fantasy game? One of the series most defining features is redefining itself every mainline entry and to me the most important element in a FF game is the story. It’s ability to make you feel or think something and it’s my opinion this looks poised to deliver maybe the best they’ve ever done there.
Posted on 6/2/23 at 1:37 pm to BulldogXero
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I just don't think it will be a good Final Fantasy game.
I have been extremely disappointed in what I've heard from him through regarding the team's view on JRPGs. SquareEnix sounds a lot like 2010-era Capcom these days where they are so desperately attempting to appeal to the west.
At most, Final Fantasy needs consistency. The franchise has been floundering since FFX with SquareEnix seemingly have no idea what type of game Final Fantasy should be. If this new direction works for Final Fantasy then by all means lets develop a few mainline Final Fantasy games in a similar vein before we completely redesign the entire style of the game such as has been done in the past.
I've already preordered this but for the love of God bring back turn based Final Fantasy.
Posted on 6/2/23 at 1:40 pm to MFn GIMP
Look I am one of the biggest FF fans on this board but why does FF have to be turn based like its a sacred right or something? Its not like turn based games have disappeared into the ether and cant be found or enjoyed. Persona and SE own Octopath traveler 1 and 2 for instance.
Strict turn based ff is never coming back in the mainline series and honestly im fine with that. Character action isnt my top favorite combat system but FF7 remakes combat is a bit of polish away from being the best one ever made
The reveiew codes have been confirmed to have been shipped for days by Jason Schrier and others and they havent been tight lipped that this will be the only choice other than Zelda for GOTY and since Zelda, while great, is running on decade old hardware with 90% recycled assets id expect it to win
Strict turn based ff is never coming back in the mainline series and honestly im fine with that. Character action isnt my top favorite combat system but FF7 remakes combat is a bit of polish away from being the best one ever made
The reveiew codes have been confirmed to have been shipped for days by Jason Schrier and others and they havent been tight lipped that this will be the only choice other than Zelda for GOTY and since Zelda, while great, is running on decade old hardware with 90% recycled assets id expect it to win
This post was edited on 6/2/23 at 1:44 pm
Posted on 6/2/23 at 3:58 pm to td01241
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Look I am one of the biggest FF fans on this board but why does FF have to be turn based like its a sacred right or something? Its not like turn based games have disappeared into the ether and cant be found or enjoyed. Persona and SE own Octopath traveler 1 and 2 for instance.
Turn-based is not a requirement. There are plenty of JRPGs that don't have turn-based combat.
It's disheartening though when the developers are railing so hard against JRPGs that they try to paint the term as racist.
Posted on 6/2/23 at 5:04 pm to BulldogXero
Rebirth news
Link to 5 min youtube vid about announcements, trailer at summer games fest, nailing down a release date, etc. Way mmore bigger youtube channels are breaking it now they say it comes in 2023
Link to 5 min youtube vid about announcements, trailer at summer games fest, nailing down a release date, etc. Way mmore bigger youtube channels are breaking it now they say it comes in 2023
This post was edited on 6/3/23 at 6:46 am
Posted on 6/2/23 at 11:44 pm to td01241
The first hour full game uncut is up on youtube if anyone wants to see it. I didnt watch it and wont link it but if you are curious it is there.
Posted on 6/4/23 at 11:57 am to td01241
There is this onus emerging amongst twitter freaks and the microsoft tards (who are just as bad as the sony tards I am not allying with either despite what a few on this board do think) square is panicking over 16 having fewer pre orders than 15. Which is kind of a hilarious gas light to try to put out there because no shite it has fewer pre orders 15 was a day and date multi platform launch. 16 is also cutting out the entire ps4 install base and thats most likely a Sony request they paid for. If SQ is running their business properly however much Sony gave them for the exclusivity should offset this or am I wrong here? It had to be a large sum because they also mention the power of the ps5 ad nauseum in this games marketing so me thinks Sony obviously wants this to up the ps5 instal base. The ultimate success or failure of this game always was and always will be defined by if it has legs or not based on word of mouth the preorders are fairly meaningless here imo. Id also expect the preorders are just the game and dont include the special ps5 bundle which is a nice deal for anyone wanting a ps5 still. Also why dont the gas lighters use ff7 remake as a comparison since while not totally ps5 exclusive its closer than 15s wide availability? In so far as if Sony sees it as a success I imagine that hinges solely on how much it helps ship ps5s
Still it is my position if SQ wont just fricking finally join Sony they should stop doing so many exclusives mainly for their most wanted games. At least do a ps and pc launch with 1 year to xbox.
Still it is my position if SQ wont just fricking finally join Sony they should stop doing so many exclusives mainly for their most wanted games. At least do a ps and pc launch with 1 year to xbox.
This post was edited on 6/4/23 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 6/4/23 at 4:01 pm to td01241
I don’t multiplatform has that much to do with it. Final Fantasy games don’t sell on Xbox and the PC port was way later.
I do think preorder culture has changed drastically in the past few years. Advent of digital primary game purchasing leaves no reason to order far ahead of time.
I do think preorder culture has changed drastically in the past few years. Advent of digital primary game purchasing leaves no reason to order far ahead of time.
Posted on 6/4/23 at 4:17 pm to oauron
I also think 16 being clearly mainline FF most radical reinvention ever both in combat and as a M rated game plays into this which is what leads to my conclusion the games success hinges on its legs based on word of mouth from early adopters.
Posted on 6/4/23 at 4:36 pm to td01241
As someone who loves the Final Fantasy series and really enjoyed DMC5’s combat, I’m fricking amped up to play FFXVI. It looks sick.
Posted on 6/4/23 at 5:20 pm to JakeFromStateFarm
Personally I have never been too high on character action until dmc5 then I went back and played games like bayonetta with a whole new level of love. I cannot wait for this either but im more excited for the narrative than the combat although it does look fun and at the very least very sleek and pretty.
Posted on 6/4/23 at 5:34 pm to oauron
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FF games dont sell well on xbox
I am not saying youre wrong here at all because you absolutely arent but could it be they dont because off the top of my head 13 and 15 are all they ever have gotten launched to? I am genuinely asking if you or anyone who cares to reply thinks thats a factor or if its more the type of people who generally buy xbox vs playstation which to me leans more towards Fps/Online vs narrative story focused possibly what some call movie games respectively.
I mean xbox still hasnt gotten ff7 remake when theres no legal cause stopping square from giving it to them did they even get shite like ff12s remastered zodiac age? I get their frustration with square enix honestly.
This post was edited on 6/4/23 at 5:39 pm
Posted on 6/4/23 at 11:09 pm to MFn GIMP
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I've already preordered this but for the love of God bring back turn based Final Fantasy.
Please don’t do this. As someone who played a ton of turn based games, they’re a dinosaur now. Straight turn-based games, now, make me feel like my eyes are bleeding from boredom. Trying to go back and play KOTOR last year or old pokemon games for the gameboy color was grueling outside of the nostalgia factor.
I thought FFXVII: Remake did a great job of striking a balance between the old turn-based style and the new active combat systems.
I also thought Final Fantasy XV had my favorite combat system of any FF game, even if the difficulty was a joke. With some minor tweaks, it could have been perfect, at least in my opinion.
The things that make a JRPG, in my opinion are the story and characters. The combat system does not disqualify or qualify a game as a jrpg or not. I want a great story and a fun combat system which is simple enough to easily grasp and be successful with quickly at low difficulty, but has enough depth and challenge to it that there’s rewards for learning it deeply.
Posted on 6/5/23 at 5:03 am to kingbob
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I thought FFXVII: Remake did a great job of striking a balance between the old turn-based style and the new active combat systems.
It needs to be polished up for sure such a melee characters being able to attack aerial foes being a dice roll but its my opinion the game has the best combat system any FF has ever produced. It gives the illusion of character action but your basic attacks do almost no damage to most enemies its about filling your atb just like it used to be and executing commands. Yuffie has by far the finest tuned and tightest combat so I feel good about its future Id like to see every character get some form of her perfect block or the parry materia actually parry and not just be used to make Tifa OP.
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I also thought Final Fantasy XV had my favorite combat system of any FF game, even if the difficulty was a joke. With some minor tweaks, it could have been perfect, at least in my opinion.
15 had immense potential especially when it was finished and each character had a playable moveset but the fact is Noctis and being able to auto dodge made the games combat a joke. Summons were also stupid OP, once they added Garuda to the game she was too easy to trigger anywhere anytime, and anyone else other than Ramuh had way too insanely tight trigger conditions. It was far too easy to the point the had to add the item to lock your xp in place so you could do their work and balance the game.
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The things that make a JRPG, in my opinion are the story and characters. The combat system does not disqualify or qualify a game as a jrpg or not. I want a great story and a fun combat system which is simple enough to easily grasp and be successful with quickly at low difficulty, but has enough depth and challenge to it that there’s rewards for learning it deeply.
Couldnt agree with this more. It is why im glad these games are starting to offer a hard mode but they shouldnt lock it into new game plus I dont see a reason for that.
This post was edited on 6/5/23 at 5:04 am
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