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pelicanpride
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re: question for libs about policy
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This is why no one comes here for intelligent conversation. They come here to observe the fringiest of the fringe in their natural habitat


That’s what I usually do, but I had been drinking last night so I decided to respond. That’s my initial excuse. Not sure why I kept responding. That’s on me, I suppose.


bfniii
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re: question for libs about policy
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It’s listed in Biden’s platform
you missed the joke. anyway, my question remains the same. that policy is based on nothing more than class envy - they should not be allowed to own that much money. but you've never explained why that is the case. you've merely stated it by fiat.

and you still haven't responded to the consequences that have already happened regarding those types of policies. those earners leave and take their business with them. then the left complains that they're operating overseas. trump reduced the tax burden that was proven to start repatriating business and the economy started to boom. so in reality, that biden policy has proven to be deleterious to the nation whereas the alternative was the opposite.


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bfniii
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the courts told me so
that curious. the issue isn't settled.

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we will never hear from you again
look to the left. you will see how long i've been here.

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I am embarrassed to say that it took me 8 pages into this thread to figure out that you are cookoo
you advanced ONE potential biden policy and have yet to explain why it will make the nation better. you admitted you voted on feelings. but yeah, i'm the crazy person.


bfniii
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re: question for libs about policy
this thread is EXACTLY what i knew it would be. zero percent policy and 100% ad hominem/tds. i even asked that if libs don't want to get into policy here with a "fringe" person, then point me to where policy is being discussed.


SammyTiger
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re: question for libs about policy
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What policy are they really juiced up about that Sloe Joe may potentially implement? Most Dims will not have a clue how to answer....lol


Legalizing weed
Student debt forgiveness
I personally Want universal healthcare.


the808bass
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re: question for libs about policy
I want universal healthcare, as well.

I’m in pretty good health.

I’ll enjoy laughing at y’all.


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tgrgrd00
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Member since Jun 2004
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re: question for libs about policy
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That’s on me, I suppose.


Hey man, I feel you have too much money.

I'm super poor and you make waaay more money than I and I feel like that's too much for you to make.

I don't feel like any person should have the amount of money you have.

I think we should tax that money you have so we can pay down our national debt.



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Flats
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re: question for libs about policy
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i even asked that if libs don't want to get into policy here with a "fringe" person, then point me to where policy is being discussed.


Nowhere that I can tell. The typical newcomer response is just “this board sucks nobody wants to discuss anything” while they actively don’t discuss anything. If you just came here for an end zone dance, fine, but it’s an odd position from which to launch the “I’m above this forum” schtick.

And yeah, there is some fringe here. I just don’t discuss the fringe stuff with them; it’s not difficult. And there are straight-up trolls, I just don’t discuss anything with them. Again, not hard. I actually do wish there was more policy discussion but I can’t make that happen. If there’s a forum where intelligent liberals discuss policy and and allow dissent I haven’t seen it. And while this board does lean right, it doesn’t appear to be because liberals are silenced.


tgrgrd00
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Member since Jun 2004
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re: question for libs about policy
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Legalizing weed
Student debt forgiveness
I personally Want universal healthcare.



Legal weed - no problem, do it

Student debt forgiveness - both parties entered in to a binding agreement. Did they not? This is a crazy policy that I don't understand how anyone could argue otherwise.

I personally Want universal healthcare - another terrible idea that has been sold to people by the socialist imo. I don't see this as the panacea that people think it is. I go back to wtf does or has the government ever done to give people the idea that they would somehow make THIS successful.

I think we should work to lower the prices of medical care before we consider ever putting the administration in the hands of the federal government.




SammyTiger
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re: question for libs about policy
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another terrible idea that has been sold to people by the socialist imo. I don't see this as the panacea that people think it is. I go back to wtf does or has the government ever done to give people the idea that they would somehow make THIS successful.


Our current system is 1. Expensive 2. Not that great, and 3. Doesn’t cover everyone.

It limits freedom to work by handcuffing people to their jobs.

And yeah if you’re rich or if you employers pays out the arse you get can get good healthcare, but Rich people will and do get good healthcare even in countries with Hniversal healthcare.


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Flats
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Using terms like “sleepy Joe” or “crooked Hillary” on Twitter is so far beneath the office of the president.


You sorta lowered that bar when a credibly accused rapist got a bj in the Oval Office from an intern and half the country said it didn’t matter.

In a vacuum I agree with you and I’ve criticized his twitter habits on more than one occasion here. But you don’t get to claim that Trump lowered these standards, because we flushed them down the toilet well before he ever took office.


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tgrgrd00
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re: question for libs about policy
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1. Expensive



Turning over administration to the government ISN'T GOING TO MAKE HEALTHCARE LESS EXPENSIVE. It may somehow hide the cost from you but the cost will not go down. In fact I would argue the cost of healthcare would increase.

Someone has to pay for it. Just because you change who runs it doesn't make the costs go away.

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2. Not that great



I don't know if you mean the quality of care or what. But again the government running things isn't going to make anything greater

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3. Doesn’t cover everyone.



I, nor you, should have to pay for everyone's healthcare. The idea that I should have to cover other people's medical costs just doesn't sit well with me. I mean, I don't drink, but I'm supposed to pay the medical costs for alcoholism related medical care for some random person who makes poor decisions?

I dont have that kind of money.



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SammyTiger
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re: question for libs about policy
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Turning over administration to the government ISN'T GOING TO MAKE HEALTHCARE LESS EXPENSIVE. It may somehow hide the cost from you but the cost will not go down. In fact I would argue the cost of healthcare would increase.



We spend more on healthcare than every other country in earth.

The costs are currently hidden from us. Most people don’t know what their employees pays per person, what hospitals and doctors charge and what insurance companies negotiate coats to.

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Someone has to pay for it. Just because you change who runs it doesn't make the costs go away.


Currently, my employer and I pay for my health insurance. So it’s not like I’m Not paying for it currently.

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I, nor you, should have to pay for everyone's healthcare. The idea that I should have to cover other people's medical costs just doesn't sit well with me. I mean, I didn't drink, but I'm supposed to pay the medical costs for alcoholism related medical care for some random person who makes poor decisions?

I dont have that kind of money.


I disagree.
I think We do have a responsibility to at least keep our fellow man alive.

Like or not Healtth people pay for unhealthy people. That’s how insurance works. They can are banking on the money healthy people spending being enough to no only offset the cost of the unhealthy people, but turn a profit.
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Flats
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re: question for libs about policy
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The costs are currently hidden from us.


And that will get worse with the government being the single payer, not better. You think we spend a lot now?


SammyTiger
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And that will get worse with the government being the single payer, not better. You think we spend a lot now?


We spend more than every single payer country on earth.



tgrgrd00
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Member since Jun 2004
6097 posts

re: question for libs about policy
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We spend more on healthcare than every other country in earth.

The costs are currently hidden from us. Most people don’t know what their employees pays per person, what hospitals and doctors charge and what insurance companies negotiate coats to.


All of that may be true but nothing here is a solution to your complaint that healthcare is expense. A universal healthcare isn't going to reduce the costs.


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I disagree.
I think We do have a responsibility to at least keep our fellow man alive.

Like or not Healtth people pay for unhealthy people. 



Cool man, I have some medical bills that need paying. Shoot me over a few grand. Thanks.

I assume you practice what you preach? Right?




SammyTiger
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re: question for libs about policy
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I, nor you, should have to pay for everyone's healthcare. The idea that I should have to cover other people's medical costs just doesn't sit well with me. I mean, I don't drink, but I'm supposed to pay the medical costs for alcoholism related medical care for some random person who makes poor decisions?


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Cool man, I have some medical bills that need paying. Shoot me over a few grand. Thanks.

I assume you practice what you preach? Right?



So you can’t afford your medical Bills but still think you’re the one who’s really going to be paying for others?

You’re one of those people making 30k and get bent out of shape when we don’t give billionaires tax cuts? How’s the trickle
Down?


tgrgrd00
LSU Fan
LaPlace, LA
Member since Jun 2004
6097 posts

re: question for libs about policy
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So you can’t afford your medical Bills but still think you’re the one who’s really going to be paying for others?

You’re one of those people making 30k and get bent out of shape when we don’t give billionaires tax cuts? How’s the trickle
Down?


I make plenty, thanks.

Your post doesn't make sense.

If you pay taxes you will be paying for others healthcare under a universal healthcare plan regardless of income level.



Nguyener
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re: question for libs about policy
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So the Warren Buffets of the world are paying a lower percentage of their income in taxes than you are as a self-employed business owner. That’s why I don’t understand the vitriol on this board towards poorer folks, who pay very little
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Okay, good point. For a regular self-employed individual it might be possible to approach 40% if you factor in things like sales tax and property tax.


You keep talking about billionaires and the poverty striken.

But what about the middle class? What about households making 60,000-250,000 per year? What about small local businesses. That’s what community is made of and it’s what keeps states and cities strong.

The lower classes pay nothing. The upperclass pays too little. We can discuss that all day.

But The middle class in this country is being destroyed by regulations and taxes. And without a strong middle class we are relegated to the whims of the elite.

It’s easy to say Gates deserves less money because he wouldn’t miss a billion and it’s easy to have sympathy for the poor.

But the real discussion should be about a demand for a balanced budget, decreased governmental spending, and tax breaks for the middle class.

We shouldn’t be expanding welfare. We should be expanding the middle class. And you don’t do that by throwing money at it. You do that by allowing people to keep more of what they earn and not taxing small businesses out of operation so corporations can control everything.
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Nguyener
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re: question for libs about policy
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Student debt forgiveness
I personally Want universal healthcare.


How will you pay for that?

Does student load forgiveness mean free student loans for everyone going forward? If not, how do you reconcile that? Why forgive some and not others? Do you include private forgiveness or only federal loans? Do you understand the tax burden of sudden loan forgive to the individual as it becomes taxable income? Would you exempt that?

What is universal healthcare? You mean free unlimited whatever you want? One doctor visit a year? An allowance per year? Only specific things covered? Would the government control the doctors and the insurance?


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