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re: Let your phone go dead or constantly charge it to full.

Posted on 2/14/20 at 9:03 am to
Posted by NYCAuburn
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Posted on 2/14/20 at 9:03 am to
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I have an iPhone 8plus and it says its battery health/maximum capacity is 84%


I have a 7, since about 6 months after they came out.

I charge mine every night, it gets drained to 0% quite often, Im at 89%

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In other words, at least for iPhones... no one should GAF about their battery health unless you just happen to have a lemon.
this is my thinking.

Now on the other side my sister and mom have galaxies, Their batteries have needed to be replaced, because they got so bad. Not sure if any reason/correlation
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89453 posts
Posted on 2/14/20 at 10:51 am to
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Is there any benefit to doing that or charge as you go is preferred?


The chips will generally prevent you from overcharging. "Battery conditioning" is also alleviated by the chips and charging monitoring.

I don't know if there is legitimate wisdom in actually draining the battery and certainly not what I would do regularly (in the old days, drain and full charge would give you better battery gauge readings, but a full discharge generally shortens the life of certain types of batteries - again the chips try to stop it from going 100% dead).

The relatively recent rule of thumb a few years back was to keep the battery between 35 and 85 if possible - so, don't charge if already above 85% and don't wait until below 35 to charge.

That makes as much sense as anything.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
110490 posts
Posted on 2/14/20 at 11:27 am to
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Takes about 3 days for my google pixel 3xl to get down to 20% and then I recharge
Must be nice.

I really don't use 3XL much, sparingly during the work day. And without fail when it's time to leave work it's at about 60 %
Posted by TSLG
Member since Mar 2014
6724 posts
Posted on 2/14/20 at 2:20 pm to
I'm still rocking an s5 for my #2 personal phone.

Hell, I lost 25% just reading this thread. I'm jealous of all of you.

Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
17938 posts
Posted on 2/14/20 at 7:00 pm to
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There wasn't one in your post, either.


I am an electrical engineer that has worked with lithium ion battery storage including utility scale projects with Tesla.
This post was edited on 2/14/20 at 7:02 pm
Posted by prplhze2000
Parts Unknown
Member since Jan 2007
51317 posts
Posted on 2/15/20 at 8:12 am to
The newer class c chargers prevent the overcharging from harming the phone from what I understand
Posted by Lonnie Utah
Utah!
Member since Jul 2012
23834 posts
Posted on 2/18/20 at 8:37 am to
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Holding a battery on a charger is putting an even greater voltage across the batteries and exacerbating the problem.


This assumes the charger does not have an overcharge protection circuit. Once most lipo battery chargers get to a voltage of between 4.1 and 4.2 volts, the circuit disables charging.

The real reason the battery on most peoples phones discharge quickly is all of the apps that they continue to run in background as the phone ages. Facebook, the copy of candy crush we downloaded 2 years ago, and all of the other crap we have on our phones use up small amounts of battery life as they add to the current draw required by our phones processors.
This post was edited on 2/18/20 at 8:43 am
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
17938 posts
Posted on 2/18/20 at 9:02 am to
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This assumes the charger does not have an overcharge protection circuit. Once most lipo battery chargers get to a voltage of between 4.1 and 4.2 volts, the circuit disables charging.



No. Charging still degrades life. Every time you hit a lithium battery with a charging voltage, no matter how short, it reduces battery life. The switching on and off from overcharge circuits still degrades it.
This post was edited on 2/18/20 at 9:03 am
Posted by Lonnie Utah
Utah!
Member since Jul 2012
23834 posts
Posted on 2/18/20 at 10:40 am to
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Every time you hit a lithium battery with a charging voltage, no matter how short, it reduces battery life.


So your answer is charging it up to less than maximum which results in you have to put it on a charger more times? Makes sense.
Posted by CarRamrod
Spurbury, VT
Member since Dec 2006
57426 posts
Posted on 2/18/20 at 11:32 am to
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if you want your battery to last, don't let it discharge below 25-30% and don't charge it above 60-70%. The further you go outside those windows, the faster the life of the battery decreases.


i mean really where do you guys get your information....because this is just retarded.
Posted by Yewkindewit
Near Birmingham, Alabama
Member since Apr 2012
19998 posts
Posted on 2/20/20 at 11:42 am to
Don’t know about that but we should all be much more concerned about being abducted by extraterrestrial UFOs/Aliens and being anally probed. I can hardly sit without a pain........nevermind!
Posted by DoubleDown
New Orleans, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2008
12846 posts
Posted on 2/20/20 at 12:44 pm to
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Don’t know about that but we should all be much more concerned about being abducted by extraterrestrial UFOs/Aliens and being anally probed. I can hardly sit without a pain........nevermind!

Reminds me of that SNL skit with Kate McKinnon:
LINK
Posted by Cold Drink
Member since Mar 2016
3482 posts
Posted on 2/23/20 at 12:21 am to
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DoubleDown
not sure why you got downvoted. I got enough problems to worry about than paying attention to my battery charge


I’ve had my iPhone for about 4 years now and just charge it every night and if the thing craps the best I’ll either get a new phone or replace a battery.

Last thing I’ll ever do is add a daily stress to my life about how and when to charge my fricking phone
Posted by GoAwayImBaitn
On an island in the marsh
Member since Jul 2018
2128 posts
Posted on 2/28/20 at 1:59 pm to
Lithium Polymer batteries do best not being discharged below 15%. No battery out there (lead acid, NiCad, lithium ion, lithium Polymer etc) does good long term with a full discharge. You certainly will kill it quicker by doing that over and over
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