re: Bungie Splits With Activision, Keeps Destiny

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it's created an extremely lazy player culture full of people just waiting with their hands out.

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Which is what Destiny became.

Everything was a hand out. Anything that requires skill ultimately was given out for free or close to it.

I’ve never more salt than from people in D1 who couldn’t make the lighthouse and would bitch non-stop about not getting the trophy, the emblem, guns and armor.

Even PvE shite was sad. A notable occurrence was with ToM from collecting all 50 shards on the dreadnaught and farming mats. Yeah it sucked arse doing that but it showed you had some kind of commitment to get a gun that made Oryx much easier. If people had that gun early on then i’d raid with them because it showed they actually wanted to beat the freaking thing.

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Everything was a hand out.

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I noticed this when I gave it a shot while it was free. They just throw gear at you for anything. I remember being put off by how unrewarding it felt. Hopefully this split allows Bungie to focus on the hardcore playerbase like they initially wanted.

It's the same with WoW. There is ZERO point in keeping up with the patches because everything is going to just be given a "catch-up mechanic" anyway. 340 ilvl gear was mythic dungeon tier gear on release and my alt mage that I haven't run a single mythic on is 349 ilvl overall thanks to mythic dungeon level rewards from braindead PvE content. It actually blew my mind that I was rewarded with mythic gear for doing a PvE instance that you literally cannot lose.





Want to know what the common factor with these two things is?




But back to your point about players complaining, I know exactly what you mean. It's everywhere and it's disgusting. If there is ANYTHING exclusive or limited or is gated by a higher level of difficulty that has even a remote chance of leaving even the most casual of players out, people complain. MMOs aren't allowed to have items/features that aren't available to everyone anymore.

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I've been saying since D1 there's absolutely no reason to not have matchmaking on raids

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I agree that it’s dumb to not offer any kind of matchmaking for end game PvE, but at the same time and from experience....I get it.

I mean people will rubber band their controllers for strikes and crucible. Imagine putting together a group of six and you keep one of these idiots in your group? Half the people likely wouldn’t have a mic, would expect to get carried, would have no clue what’s going on, etc.

Matchmaking for end game sounds like a great idea, but for every person who would actively look for a decent group through it, there are 5x as many retards trolling in there. I honestly can’t imagine trying to do the VoG or Kingsfall with people whose commitment is completely unknown to me. At least if you find people on LFG you know they are familiar with what a group looks for, in terms of classes, LL and what not.

I will say that Nightfall is another story though. There should be optional matchmaking for that 100%. They aren’t nearly as hard as they used to be and can be done by any remotely competent group of three.

I'm fine with matchmaking on 3 man activities.

But a raid is different. Getting stuck with five other people that have varying degrees of knowledge of mechanics, personalities, and actual desire to finish sounds terrible. At least with lfg, you can figure out how many clears they have or if you are helping someone new.

I don't think it's too complex. I'm just not dealing with other people's shite.

You don't play destiny...

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Every other MMO with complex dungeons and raids has a matchmaking like system. You take the good with the bad. 

The way Destiny players think their content is way too complex to mess with this still kills me.

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I can only relate to wow here..tjey have matching making for their raids but the lfg tier is shite. The normal/heroic and mythic dont have matchmaking. And their smaller group content like dungeons does have matchmaking but the endgame stuff for.small group content (mythic 5mans) does not.

So, for destiny to match make.most of their group content but not their elite end game raid doesnt bother me AT ALL..I prefer it.

Activision gave their new CFO 15 million right after telling Blizzard to cut costs.

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Jim Sterling on budget cuts for game development: "So microtransactions and loot boxes are “necessary” for games because they cost too much to make. Blizzard has to cut resources and reduce its budget for game development... Then Activision hands $15 million to its new executive like it’s nothing"

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I've been saying since D1 there's absolutely no reason to not have matchmaking on raids. And Nightfall.

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I agree with you on nightfalls. I can two man it with anyone who's half way decent at the game.

But you're out of your mind if you think matchmaking on raids is a good idea.

About 50% of the time when I play gambit the randos I join with don't know to kill the envoys before popping their supers on the boss. If gambit is too hard for them to figure out, what are the chances of beating last wish within 6 hours with these people?


There should definitely be in game LFG for raids. Plenty of other games have it incorporated seamlessly.