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re: Interesting tidbits from the Hobby Lobby/Conestoga Wood oral argument

Posted on 3/26/14 at 1:19 pm to
Posted by Bard
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Posted on 3/26/14 at 1:19 pm to
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•Justice Sotomayor and Justice Kagan asked: Because nobody is forcing Hobby Lobby or Conestoga to provide health insurance, they can simply pay the tax penalty instead.


Which is still, in essence, a penalty for practicing their religious beliefs and thus in direct conflict with the First Amendment. The idea behind religious freedom was to not be persecuted for it. A "tax penalty" falls directly within that.
This post was edited on 3/26/14 at 3:28 pm
Posted by themunch
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Posted on 3/26/14 at 2:22 pm to
the First Amendment.

It is outdated and irrelevant.
Posted by Mindenfan
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Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:14 pm to
Exile or death?
Posted by udtiger
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Posted on 3/26/14 at 4:03 pm to
quote:

the First Amendment. It is outdated and irrelevant.


The Constitution is a flawed document; therefore, FedGov is free to ignore it.
Posted by themunch
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Posted on 3/26/14 at 4:28 pm to
Since 2008
Posted by RIPMachoMan
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Posted on 3/26/14 at 8:40 pm to
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The funny thing is, Hobby Lobby is not outright against birth control...they only do not want to provide birth control that kills after conception...like the morning after pill.


The morning after pill doesn't kill anything. It is a form of contraception. LINK
Posted by MrTide33
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 3/26/14 at 10:07 pm to
There is some controversy over whether or not emergency contraception can prevent the implantation of a fertilized egg by thinning the uterine wall.

ETA: "Pregnancy" has technically not begun until implantation, but human life starts at conception.
This post was edited on 3/26/14 at 10:10 pm
Posted by Reubaltaich
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Member since Jun 2006
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Posted on 3/26/14 at 10:19 pm to
I think that HL has a contingency plan if the ruling is not in their favor, they will reorganize as a church and thus be exempt from obama-fraud.

Thumbs up to HL for standing up for their beleifs.

Posted by darkhorse
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 3/26/14 at 10:27 pm to
LINK

Sounds as though they are leaning towards a ruling in favor of HL:


quote:

Chief Justice Roberts appeared to tip his hand when he told Mr. Verrilli that the parade of horribles — all kinds of religious exemptions being claimed by all sorts of employers, punching holes in the uniform application of the laws — could be avoided by a ruling limited to closely held enterprises, like S corporations that pass their earnings through to their shareholders. That would leave the issue of, say, an Exxon claiming religious freedom rights to another day. Later, Justice [Stephen] Breyer suggested he might be open to that type of resolution.


Posted by gthog61
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Posted on 3/26/14 at 10:58 pm to
The fat Latina also compared abortion to vaccinations during her remarks.
Posted by MMauler
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Posted on 3/26/14 at 11:09 pm to
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The fat Latina also compared abortion to vaccinations during her remarks.


Josef Mengele, a patron saint of Democrats, would be proud!

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