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Posted on 1/25/13 at 10:06 am to TheBob
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A&M had 410 yards and 19 points. Oregon had 335 and 27. I guess you can call that sound.
What did those teams average in YPG and PPG when LSU played them? Exactly, go rip the bong again.
Posted on 1/25/13 at 10:12 am to TheBob
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A&M had 410 yards and 19 points. Oregon had 335 and 27. I guess you can call that sound.
aTm had a garbage td with about a minute left. Oregon had a garbage td with about 13 seconds left so that argument is stupid. I do think chavis struggles against the spread though, especially against mobile qb's.
Posted on 1/25/13 at 1:11 pm to jdaute2
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aTm had a garbage td with about a minute left. Oregon had a garbage td with about 13 seconds left so that argument is stupid. I do think chavis struggles against the spread though, especially against mobile qb's.
WTF is wrong with you idiots. No one is hating on Miles, just stating the fact Chavis may not be the best to ask about how to defend the spread. W or L those games where not his best. Thats like should an OC ask Miles how to run an offense because he won games?
Posted on 1/25/13 at 1:12 pm to TheBob
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A&M had 410 yards and 19 points. Oregon had 335 and 27. I guess you can call that sound.
There were also long arse TD drives at the end of both of those games as well.
Posted on 1/25/13 at 1:23 pm to AlwysATgr
The reason we do well against the spread is not so much scheme but how physical we are as compared to Oregon, West Virginia and Texas A&M and we forced a lot of turnovers in those games with our more physical and aggressive athletes. Plus those games had significant garbage time production after Miles took foot of the pedal.
Posted on 1/25/13 at 1:27 pm to The Boat
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Spread offenses eat Chavis up. Maybe a little more in the past, though. Chavis had no answer for Florida in 2009 or Auburn in 2010.
Are you serious? Florida scored 13 points in 2009 and 327 yards and thier one touchdown came on a play with horrible offensive pass interference.
Did you watch the Auburn game? It wasn't a scheme issue. I was a Cam Newton is an animal issue.
I love how if LSU scores 24 in a game were incompetent, if Auburn scores 24 in a game with Cam Newton Chavis cant defend the spread.
Posted on 1/25/13 at 2:05 pm to TheBob
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Chavis is pretty awful versus spread O's.
I get what you're saying, and I don't think Chavis is a guru at defending the spread; but he is a very good defensive coach and has had success against the spread. So, I find your comment a bit too strong.
I see Oregon & A&M are the recent examples being used, so...
Yes, we gave up 27 to Oregon last year... but this is the lowest point total anyone held Oregon to last year. After the LSU game, the next best was Washington & USC who held them to 34-35 point-- and after that, nobody held them under 40. So, I would say Chavis did a good-- if not great-- job.
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Texas A&M: this past year, only LSU and UF held them under 20 point. Bama was next best at 29 point. So, again, quite good-- if not great. And I think LSU was the only the only one to keep Johnny M. out of the endzone.
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Sure, Chavis has had a few memorably bad games/gameplans, but I think the offense may have been a bigger problem in most-- if not all-- of them. And what coach hasn't had bad games? Saban lost to Utah a couple years back in a BCS game, to A&M this year, to a Louisiana directional school a few years back, etc. Pete Carroll lost to Stanford in 2007 when Stanford sucked, etc.
I'm not saying any NFL DCs have Chavis on speed dial for advice, but he's a very good defensive coach and is not "awful" against the spread.
I suppose it's the nature of The Rant to magnify things and turn people into caricatures: if something or someone is good, it becomes hard to imagine how LSU ever loses; if something or someone is less than perfect, that flaw or off day becomes magnified to epic proportions and is never forgotten.
Posted on 1/25/13 at 2:12 pm to AlwysATgr
Chavis' philosophy on spreads is pretty simple: keep it all in front of you, don't over pursue, and take advantage of mistakes. As a result, A&M and Oregon went apeshit in the yards category, but didn't post too many points and got waxed in the turnover category. And before you say "Oregon put up 27!" The last 7 was in garbage time when our 2nd string was in there.
Chavis' scheme against the spread has improved every year. We couldn't slow down the freak that was Cam Newton. So what? No one could. And it's not like Auburn beat the hell out of us. We were in it the whole game and lost by 7 on a late score in the 4th.
Chavis' scheme against the spread has improved every year. We couldn't slow down the freak that was Cam Newton. So what? No one could. And it's not like Auburn beat the hell out of us. We were in it the whole game and lost by 7 on a late score in the 4th.
Posted on 1/25/13 at 5:57 pm to LoveThatMoney
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The Denver Broncos consulted with him on the prevent defense.
Posted on 1/25/13 at 10:53 pm to TheBob
If the Chief isn't the man to consult about it, then in your opinion, who is doing the best job against spread O's?
Posted on 1/26/13 at 8:11 am to Gray Tiger
I used to live in Baton Rouge but moved to Virginia and I love to read anything LSU but with the cursing and filthy pictures I am being forced to quit the Rant. Thanks people.
Posted on 1/26/13 at 8:59 am to jelester
Adios MF! 
Posted on 1/26/13 at 9:16 am to TigerBait2008
I like the Chief & think he has done a great job at LSU. I would like to no what happened in 2 games this year. The first is Bama, we went to a prevent defense but the chief knows u don't give the wr a 9 yard cushion on the side line. So they went right down field & won the game. That one was on the chief. Also what happened on the last drive with Clemson? I think The defense was exhausted with no help from the offense. FLA. beat us because of the injury's in the offense line. Flame away. 
Posted on 1/26/13 at 11:16 am to LSUSilverfox
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When you compare those point totals to each teams season average it looks pretty good.
True, plus it's not like many teams had more success against those offenses.
Posted on 1/26/13 at 11:20 am to Fenwick86
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The Denver Broncos consulted with him on the prevent defense.
I would say that collapse was more similar to the Iowa Capital One bowl than the prevent defense fails that we've had this year
Posted on 1/26/13 at 11:22 am to Powerman
Saban's prevent is better than the Chief's.
Simply because he is saban.
Simply because he is saban.
Posted on 1/26/13 at 12:08 pm to noonan
I think a lot of success against spread offenses have to do with how your offense is performing. If you're going a lot of 3 & out you get into a real cycle of momentum with a good spread/no-huddle team that can overwhelm you quickly (see Bama vs Texas A&M) or wear you down over a game with volume of plays (LSU vs Clemson).
LSU and Alabama generally can out physical anyone, and when they've beaten up good offenses they've usually controlled the pace or tempo of the game on offense or come up with turnovers on defense.
Saban's M.O. against the spread (or any offense) is to shut down the run on early downs and make you throw from low percentage distances. Over time the math works for you if you have the players. JFF presents a completely different challenge then Cam Newton or Tebow as he's a mobile quarterback rather then a running quarterback like the other two. (Cam also has the chops to play in the pocket unlike the other two). He's quick enough to go playground on you if he can keep the play alive and was brutal on defenses when they over-pursued. He was controlled somewhat by LSU and Bama when they went went with smaller and quicker LB's
LSU and Alabama generally can out physical anyone, and when they've beaten up good offenses they've usually controlled the pace or tempo of the game on offense or come up with turnovers on defense.
Saban's M.O. against the spread (or any offense) is to shut down the run on early downs and make you throw from low percentage distances. Over time the math works for you if you have the players. JFF presents a completely different challenge then Cam Newton or Tebow as he's a mobile quarterback rather then a running quarterback like the other two. (Cam also has the chops to play in the pocket unlike the other two). He's quick enough to go playground on you if he can keep the play alive and was brutal on defenses when they over-pursued. He was controlled somewhat by LSU and Bama when they went went with smaller and quicker LB's
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Posted on 1/26/13 at 1:09 pm to Fenwick86
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The Denver Broncos consulted with him on the prevent defense.
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