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re: Microsoft's worst nightmare coming true
Posted on 12/5/12 at 10:11 pm to nolanola
Posted on 12/5/12 at 10:11 pm to nolanola
Microsoft's problem is that it can't deal with the reality that it missed the boat on mobile and can't catch up to Apple and Google as is.
It has to be burned to the ground and be built back.
MSFT is a dinosaur that can't pivot easily and a lot of that has to do with the fact that it is not one company with one focus. It's a conglomeration of multiple divisions that do not work well together and actually compete against each other. It's a mess.
It has to be burned to the ground and be built back.
MSFT is a dinosaur that can't pivot easily and a lot of that has to do with the fact that it is not one company with one focus. It's a conglomeration of multiple divisions that do not work well together and actually compete against each other. It's a mess.
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Posted on 12/6/12 at 8:14 am to Zilla
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They are just getting going ...wait till corporate starts laptop cycling ..... Just due to compatiblity/integration, I think they can still pull it off...
There are several missteps that have been made since day 1 of the product launch. Like 1 of the articles mentioned the marketing around the new Windows touchscreen features is extremely confusing. People don't know what products are touchscreen and if their "legacy" product is worth upgrading to a new touchscreen centric OS.
Another issue is that people can't buy Windows phones. Some of the biggest retailers (Amazon for one) in the industry can't get any supply to even try to sell the phone. There has been a huge marketing push and now they have at least some people interested in buying but no product.
Posted on 12/6/12 at 8:52 am to RickAstley
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I'm not on the Apple train, but one of the main attractions to Apple I have always had is the feeling of security you get with Apple devices.
The iPhone has horrible security. Thats not an opinion. Attend any OWL presentation and find out just how bad it is. The BB is no better anymore and Android isnt any better. MSFT has the ability to tie in the corporations decided security rolls into the phone system which none of the above have the ability to do. Thats where MSFT can be more secure. Or at least secure to the point the company decides.
This post was edited on 12/6/12 at 8:57 am
Posted on 12/6/12 at 8:55 am to nolanola
You still dont get it.. Companies WILL have to move to Windows 8 or lose support. If they lose support then they fall out of compliance with whatever audit company they use. This isnt a 2 month event (no company will switch over short term because new software came out) this is next 5 years. They will have to move or go to another OS. How realistic is that?
This post was edited on 12/6/12 at 9:16 am
Posted on 12/6/12 at 11:43 am to Catman88
I understand. I am very much an advocate of Microsoft as my current career is entirely dependent on Microsoft products.
Posted on 12/6/12 at 2:10 pm to Catman88
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You still dont get it.. Companies WILL have to move to Windows 8 or lose support. If they lose support then they fall out of compliance with whatever audit company they use. This isnt a 2 month event (no company will switch over short term because new software came out) this is next 5 years. They will have to move or go to another OS. How realistic is that?
this...which is why even if their launch isn't they best, they are still going to succeed...
Posted on 12/6/12 at 7:20 pm to nolanola
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Exchange is terrible.
What version are you comparing to Google Docs, Exchange 5.5? Google Docs sucks... I have over 50 small business clients and Office365/Local Exchange is way more popular vs Google Docs/Apps. Not even on the same planet as far as intergration, functionality and ease of use.
Posted on 12/6/12 at 8:55 pm to rickgrimes
Microsoft will be here in 2050. I'll keep my bets. Sell yours so I can snag a few discounts. Preesh.
Posted on 12/6/12 at 9:19 pm to ColdDuck
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What version are you comparing to Google Docs, Exchange 5.5? Google Docs sucks... I have over 50 small business clients and Office365/Local Exchange is way more popular vs Google Docs/Apps. Not even on the same planet as far as intergration, functionality and ease of use.
I'm not sure what version we used. I'm also not comparing Office to Docs. I'm comparing Exchange e-mail to Gmail/Apps mail.
Posted on 12/6/12 at 9:30 pm to nolanola
Google just announced that they won't allow any new free Apps accounts. Also...
That's a huge amount of revenue that would have probably gone to MSFT.
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The Wall Street Journal reports that subscriptions to Google Apps and its mapping service for businesses and governments have netted the company some $1 billion over the last year.
That's a huge amount of revenue that would have probably gone to MSFT.
Posted on 12/6/12 at 10:02 pm to rickgrimes
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I personally don't know of any company that prevents people from bringing their iPhones or Android to work and I deal with a lot of them at work.
My company (150,000+) doesn't allow iPhones or Android due to security issues. And this is a terrible thread. If anything Microsoft is on the upswing and Apple is in trouble.
This post was edited on 12/6/12 at 10:07 pm
Posted on 12/6/12 at 10:51 pm to TDawg1313
Some comments in this thread are hilarious.
How has the Surface failed when the pro version hasn't even hit the markets yet? The RT is the consumer version, the Pro is the enterprise version that can be domain joined, enterprise managed, and most importantly encrypted. You will see every organization that requires any type of PCI or HIPPA compliance switch to these over Ipads pretty rapidly as Ipads are huge security risk. Most of these orgs currently only use the Ipad as a thinclient to some terminal solution like Citrix or VMware virtual desktops anyway. Now they'll realize huge savings on what they invest in licensing, hardware, and maintenance to that backend infrastructure.
That won't be necessary anymore as the tablet will run full Windows with full office in the Ipad form factor and act like any other Windows PC in their enterprise.
As for WP8, same story. Enterprise management and encryption. WP8 is selling at a 4x clip than any previous MS phone and that is pre-enterprise adoption. Have you even picked up and used a Nokia 920 for a minute?
MSFT is also trying to change the culture and get rid of the fragmentation. It's the reason why Sinofsky is no longer there and he was the genius behind Windows 7. But he was also notorious for pitting divisions against each other.
There is only one major player in the local market I know of on Google Apps. Most of their users despise it because it lacks the full functionality Outlook has when integrated with Exchange or Office 365.
Google is currently putting boots on the ground and trying to grow a sales force to penetrate the enterprise deeper, but good luck with that. Thanks to their blundering on Google+, they've lost 1/3 of their search market to Bing. Let that sink in. Google is an advertising company first, their primary revenue stream comes from advertising and they gave away a third of that to MSFT over the last 1.5 years. Bing is still a loser for MSFT, but so was Xbox for a while and look at that business now.
Apple has no intent on conquering the enterprise, they are happy with the consumer market and will just throw out iteration after iteration of regurgitated products. They've lost their motivation to innovate and are now MSFT 10 years ago.
How has the Surface failed when the pro version hasn't even hit the markets yet? The RT is the consumer version, the Pro is the enterprise version that can be domain joined, enterprise managed, and most importantly encrypted. You will see every organization that requires any type of PCI or HIPPA compliance switch to these over Ipads pretty rapidly as Ipads are huge security risk. Most of these orgs currently only use the Ipad as a thinclient to some terminal solution like Citrix or VMware virtual desktops anyway. Now they'll realize huge savings on what they invest in licensing, hardware, and maintenance to that backend infrastructure.
That won't be necessary anymore as the tablet will run full Windows with full office in the Ipad form factor and act like any other Windows PC in their enterprise.
As for WP8, same story. Enterprise management and encryption. WP8 is selling at a 4x clip than any previous MS phone and that is pre-enterprise adoption. Have you even picked up and used a Nokia 920 for a minute?
MSFT is also trying to change the culture and get rid of the fragmentation. It's the reason why Sinofsky is no longer there and he was the genius behind Windows 7. But he was also notorious for pitting divisions against each other.
There is only one major player in the local market I know of on Google Apps. Most of their users despise it because it lacks the full functionality Outlook has when integrated with Exchange or Office 365.
Google is currently putting boots on the ground and trying to grow a sales force to penetrate the enterprise deeper, but good luck with that. Thanks to their blundering on Google+, they've lost 1/3 of their search market to Bing. Let that sink in. Google is an advertising company first, their primary revenue stream comes from advertising and they gave away a third of that to MSFT over the last 1.5 years. Bing is still a loser for MSFT, but so was Xbox for a while and look at that business now.
Apple has no intent on conquering the enterprise, they are happy with the consumer market and will just throw out iteration after iteration of regurgitated products. They've lost their motivation to innovate and are now MSFT 10 years ago.
Posted on 12/6/12 at 11:03 pm to LSUStjames
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LSUStjames
Thank you! I agree 100% with everything you have said here.
Posted on 12/6/12 at 11:14 pm to LSUStjames
Thanks for the nicely formed response.
I disagree that they've lost their innovation. I think they will be a big player in TV. They're just carefully charting their play.
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Apple has no intent on conquering the enterprise, they are happy with the consumer market and will just throw out iteration after iteration of regurgitated products. They've lost their motivation to innovate and are now MSFT 10 years ago.
I disagree that they've lost their innovation. I think they will be a big player in TV. They're just carefully charting their play.
Posted on 12/7/12 at 8:29 am to nolanola
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Another issue is that people can't buy Windows phones. Some of the biggest retailers (Amazon for one) in the industry can't get any supply to even try to sell the phone.
Interestingly enough the TD generated Ad on the left pane of my screen is advertizing a HTC Windows 8 phone sold by AMAZON.
This post was edited on 12/7/12 at 8:32 am
Posted on 12/7/12 at 8:38 am to nolanola
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I think they will be a big player in TV
It will be interesting when it comes out, but I'm having trouble seeing how they improve the experience to make people pay more to maintain high profit margins their investors expect. What is an apple TV supposed to do?
Posted on 12/7/12 at 8:14 pm to Catman88
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Interestingly enough the TD generated Ad on the left pane of my screen is advertizing a HTC Windows 8 phone sold by AMAZON.
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Windows Phones are facing an icy December in America. HTC’s (2498) new Windows flagship is stumbling badly at leading web retailers like Amazon (AMZN) and Best Buy (BBY), and Best Buy has just given a chilling new shipping estimate for the Nokia 920: “Guaranteed Christmas Delivery. Get it by Dec 24.” Samsung’s (005930) ATIV S shipments are delayed until late December in North America and Europe. Demand may be out there — but supply is not.
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