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re: Okay, explain to me what the frick just happend/Hou at Det penalty call
Posted on 11/22/12 at 2:34 pm to Tigerbait337
Posted on 11/22/12 at 2:34 pm to Tigerbait337
So let's say that Schwartz doesn't throw the red penalty flag. What if Kubiak realizes the TD is going to be overturned and throws the challenge flag ? Would that also prevent the play from being reviewed? Or would he be "benefiting from the penalty"?
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Posted on 11/22/12 at 2:35 pm to swamie
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Nope. Everyone is acting like the play not being reviewable is harsh, not the 15 yards.
But you have to factor in how easy a penalty is to avoid when considering the harshness. Also, people are completely overestimating the "penalty" of 15 yards on a kickoff. It will probably be a touchback either way. So there would basically be no penalty if you allow it to be reviewed.
Posted on 11/22/12 at 2:36 pm to TheSexecutioner
So anyone defending the play?
Posted on 11/22/12 at 2:37 pm to TJG210
Not quite on-topic but this thread exists because Justin Forsett was on the ball and got back up and kept running because there was no whistle.
Smart Cal guy.
Smart Cal guy.
Posted on 11/22/12 at 2:37 pm to TheSexecutioner
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But you have to factor in how easy a penalty is to avoid when considering the harshness. Also, people are completely overestimating the "penalty" of 15 yards on a kickoff. It will probably be a touchback either way. So there would basically be no penalty if you allow it to be reviewed.
No, because if they review it, it comes back 70 yards and the Lions get penalized 15 yards from were the Texans were down at
Posted on 11/22/12 at 2:46 pm to wildtigercat93
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No, because if they review it, it comes back 70 yards and the Lions get penalized 15 yards from were the Texans were down at
You can't write the rule under the assumption that it will get called back.
What happens if its the last play of the game? 15 yard penalty still? You cant gain an advantage off of a penalty. In these situations, you would be gaining an advantage without being truly penalized.
This post was edited on 11/22/12 at 2:48 pm
Posted on 11/22/12 at 2:48 pm to TheSexecutioner
But what advantage is he actually gaining from throwing the flag if its going to be reviewed anyway?
Posted on 11/22/12 at 2:50 pm to Lester Earl
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that makes no sense.
how do you benefit from a penalty if they penalize you
he would benefit from the review. It sounds like a pretty simple rule. You can't challenge an automatically reviewable play. There was no need to throw the challenge flag.
Posted on 11/22/12 at 2:53 pm to H-Town Tiger
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he would benefit from the review. It sounds like a pretty simple rule. You can't challenge an automatically reviewable play. There was no need to throw the challenge flag.
the review is automatic though on any scoring play.
him throwing the flag doesn't interfere with that, or allow him to benefit in anyway from something that is already guaranteed
Posted on 11/22/12 at 2:56 pm to wildtigercat93
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But what advantage is he actually gaining from throwing the flag if its going to be reviewed anyway?
Ok, I'll try to explain this but you have to remove yourself from this specific situation because the rule is applied to this qualifying situation, not written for it.
The booth only stops a review to take a closer look at the play if they deem it to be worthy of further review. (This is why coaches will call timeouts inside of 2 minutes to give the booth a longer time to review). Much like calling a timeout that he did not have, throwing a flag he was not authorized to throw is slowing the game to gain the advantage of giving the booth a longer time to review the play than they normally do.
Whether he was trying to get that advantage or just being inexplicably stupid is of no consequence. The rule is there to make sure nobody gains an advantage on that.
Posted on 11/22/12 at 2:58 pm to Lester Earl
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the review is automatic though on any scoring play.
him throwing the flag doesn't interfere with that, or allow him to benefit in anyway from something that is already guaranteed
It is automatically reviewed, but the game isn't automatically stopped to give them a lengthy amount of time to review. The booth has to make that call, not the coach who stands to benefit from the play being stopped to review.
Posted on 11/22/12 at 3:00 pm to TheSexecutioner
that still makes no sense. just stop.
Posted on 11/22/12 at 3:08 pm to Lester Earl
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the review is automatic though on any scoring play.
right, so need to throw the flag. If you do, they won't review it, HC should know that. I'm sure there's some other scenario we are not thinking of that was the reason for the rule. As Pereria said, maybe they will change it in the off season.
Posted on 11/22/12 at 3:12 pm to TDawg1313
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Play is automatically reviewed Not allowed to challenge scoring plays because they're automatically reviewed Penalty - 15 yards - Not allowed to review it anymore.
That's unreal that this is the rule. Peraira states that the rule is a joke and will change.
Posted on 11/22/12 at 3:16 pm to SouljaBreauxTellEm
This should be like when a coach calls for a timeout before reviewing.. then gets a review and the timeout never counted.
This shouldn't be any more technical. If you throw a challenge flag on a challenging TD before it is reviewed.. so what.
This shouldn't be any more technical. If you throw a challenge flag on a challenging TD before it is reviewed.. so what.
Posted on 11/22/12 at 3:20 pm to SouljaBreauxTellEm
Throw the flag Schwartz 
Posted on 11/22/12 at 3:21 pm to SouljaBreauxTellEm
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This should be like when a coach calls for a timeout before reviewing.. then gets a review and the timeout never counted
no, it would be more like he calls a timeout that he doesn't have.
Maybe they will change it, but Schwartz should know the rule
Posted on 11/22/12 at 3:53 pm to TDawg1313
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Play is automatically reviewed Not allowed to challenge scoring plays because they're automatically reviewed Penalty - 15 yards - Not allowed to review it anymore.
What a dumb fricking rule
Posted on 11/22/12 at 7:17 pm to H-Town Tiger
As a Texans fan it is a really, really dumb rule. Although Schwartz should no better.
Can't believe they won another OT game they should have lost.
They didn't deserve it after Kubs pussied out before the first FG
Can't believe they won another OT game they should have lost.
They didn't deserve it after Kubs pussied out before the first FG
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