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Dune - first full review I’ve seen
Posted on 9/12/21 at 11:10 am
Posted on 9/12/21 at 11:10 am
NY Magazine: Dune Doesn’t Care If You Like It
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The most daring aspect of Dune is not that it only tells half a narrative, or that it opts to immerse its audience in its richly rendered universe, assuming they can keep up without guide ropes. It’s carried pretty far on the strength of spectacle alone, with its spaceships hanging impossibly still in the air, its thrumming Hans Zimmer score, and its pallid antagonist, Baron Vladimir Harkonnen (Stellan Skarsgård channeling Marlon Brando’s Colonel Kurtz), floating around on anti-gravity boosters like a menacing balloon. No, the most daring aspect of Dune is how much unease it creates around the idea of a chosen one, from the Leni Riefenstahl-inspired military ceremony in which Leto and Paul receive their commission to take care of Arrakis to the fact that Paul is the product of eugenics. It begins with Chani talking in voiceover about the colonization of the Fremen’s land and the oppression they’ve experienced at the hands of rapacious outsiders, and then turns to a white savior whose greatness is entirely synthetic, engineered via planted prophecies and genetic manipulation. Paul’s reluctance to fall into the role created for him isn’t the usual self-doubt, but the dread of someone who begins to believe he’s meant to initiate a holy war. Being the hero of the story has never looked so poisoned, and that alone is thrilling enough to hope Villeneuve gets to make part two of this impressively batshit venture.
This post was edited on 9/12/21 at 1:17 pm
Posted on 9/12/21 at 1:16 pm to dcw7g
Unclear. I think he liked it?
Posted on 9/12/21 at 1:19 pm to dcw7g
Not reading that bullshite. I'll watch it on my own and come to a conclusion. frick these critics who get an ahead of time view on things.
If they had to write shite in real time with a real audience, then everyone can see a little clearer if they're full of shite or not.
If they had to write shite in real time with a real audience, then everyone can see a little clearer if they're full of shite or not.
This post was edited on 9/12/21 at 1:22 pm
Posted on 9/12/21 at 1:34 pm to dcw7g
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the colonization of the Fremen’s land and the oppression they’ve experienced at the hands of rapacious outsiders, and then turns to a white savior whose greatness is entirely synthetic, engineered via planted prophecies and genetic manipulation.
Oh boy
Posted on 9/12/21 at 1:56 pm to Cosmo
I wonder if they did an old review of Lawrence of Arabia?
Posted on 9/12/21 at 4:09 pm to Cosmo
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Oh boy
Having read the entire review, I found it interesting but flawed. Some of what she says (
quote:...) is technically correct but is clearly influenced by the predominate liberal world view.
..white savior whose greatness is entirely synthetic, engineered via planted prophecies and genetic manipulation.
While it has been a couple of decades since I read the books, in the end I remember them being an interesting and well thought out geo-political thriller fleshed out in a sci-fi setting. This is something I think the writer of the article really seemed to overlook.
This post was edited on 9/12/21 at 4:11 pm
Posted on 9/12/21 at 4:31 pm to Cosmo
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the colonization of the Fremen’s land and the oppression they’ve experienced at the hands of rapacious outsiders, and then turns to a white savior whose greatness is entirely synthetic, engineered via planted prophecies and genetic manipulation.
Once again, that’s what Frank Herbert was going for.
Posted on 9/12/21 at 5:14 pm to SEClint
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If they had to write shite in real time with a real audience, then everyone can see a little clearer if they're full of shite or not
This is the case with the overwhelming majority of reviews that all critics write. What are you on about? Pay for a ticket to Venice next year if you don't like people seeing movies before you.
Posted on 9/12/21 at 5:55 pm to Cosmo
Firstly, I don’t recall there being a racial difference between the Fremen and the other houses. In fact, humanity is mentioned many, many times due to the universal eugenics program run by the Bene Gesserit.
Secondly, even if there was a difference, the Fremen end up winning due to their superior training and motivation. They even beat the emperor’s own death troops.
ETA: I guess the semi-secret society of women who are ruling the world wasn’t woke enough?
Secondly, even if there was a difference, the Fremen end up winning due to their superior training and motivation. They even beat the emperor’s own death troops.
ETA: I guess the semi-secret society of women who are ruling the world wasn’t woke enough?
This post was edited on 9/13/21 at 5:26 am
Posted on 9/12/21 at 6:08 pm to Jay Are
quote:if all this covid shite is over, i just may.
Pay for a ticket to Venice next year
And ill take your S.O., sister and mother..maybe even grandmother too if I need a fluffer in between.
This post was edited on 9/12/21 at 7:08 pm
Posted on 9/12/21 at 7:18 pm to dcw7g
You mean it followed the book? So sorry
Posted on 9/13/21 at 8:43 am to prplhze2000
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You mean it followed the book? So sorry
First thing I thought when reading this review. Not sure if it was the writer’s intention, but it makes me super pumped to see this movie
Posted on 9/13/21 at 10:14 am to dcw7g
It sounds like the movie has nailed the themes and ideas present in the novel. Anyone acting like this novel will be a "woke-fest" has clearly never read the book or series.
The entire series is a giant middle-finger to the white savior trope, which is funny because it was written before it was popular to do that.
The entire series is a giant middle-finger to the white savior trope, which is funny because it was written before it was popular to do that.
Posted on 9/13/21 at 10:27 am to GentlemanTiger
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The entire series is a giant middle-finger to the white savior trope
Tarzan would still kick arse on Arrakis.
Posted on 9/13/21 at 11:35 am to dcw7g
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Unclear.
I read that in this dude's voice:
Posted on 9/13/21 at 1:55 pm to dcw7g
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and then turns to a white savior whose greatness is entirely synthetic,
FFS, not this shite.
Posted on 9/13/21 at 3:05 pm to Aubie Spr96
Racially, EVERYONE is a mutt by that point in the future, but there are hints of some former ethnicities in various cultures’ pasts.
The Atreides are supposed to have their roots in Greece and the tragedy of Agamemnon. I believe the Harkkonens are supposed to be Russians. And the Fremen are pretty much stated to be “Zensunni wanderers” which, combined with some terms they use, pretty much make them “Space Arabs.”
The Atreides are supposed to have their roots in Greece and the tragedy of Agamemnon. I believe the Harkkonens are supposed to be Russians. And the Fremen are pretty much stated to be “Zensunni wanderers” which, combined with some terms they use, pretty much make them “Space Arabs.”
Posted on 9/13/21 at 3:24 pm to teke184
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Dune Doesn’t Care If You Like It
What a jerk!
Posted on 9/13/21 at 3:37 pm to dcw7g
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turns to a white savior whose greatness is entirely synthetic
You can tell this guy never read the books. To be fair, he's reviewing the movie - not the books - (and a movie that only covers 1/2 of the first book to boot) so I can see why, with his narrow worldview, he would think this is all about the white savior.
Muad'dib's greatness isn't "synthetic." He truly is the Kwisatz Haderach. He has a destiny to save humanity from itself, but he can't go through with it; its too horrible an existence for him. Instead, its up to his son, Leto II, to fulfill this destiny, which is handled in later books.
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