re: Breaking from Iceland: "We MUST allow allow the virus to spread." Finally honesty!

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Because now nobody in this country is vaccinated right?

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The comment was to somebody who said tons of people were saying that from the beginning

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Tons of people were saying this. The government should have been pushing for people to get healthy and take supplements for our immune system. But I guess certain people can’t become billionaires doing that.

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That’s the post you responded to. I didn’t notice mention of “from the beginning” but I guess that’s what he could have meant. If I misunderstood your intention, my bad

Said this in another thread but relevant. I am not advocating for or against the vaccination. Just sharing my observations/thoughts as a health care provider. Most people who get COVID won't get very sick. The vaccine seems to have some, but not great efficacy against the delta variant. People who are vaccinated seem to have mostly mild symptoms. People who are not vaccinated, while at a low risk for getting seriously ill, are at a higher risk than the unvaccinated. The vaccine seems to be safe. People with natural immunity due to prior infection seem to be significantly less likely to be reinfected. This will probably never end until we achieve herd immunity and vaccines will not achieve herd immunity. But vaccines may reduce symptoms in people who are infected. Take that for what its worth.

Is there a delta variant?

People in charge of the CDC know this. I personally am glad I got it earlier.

I mostly agree with what you saying. Having politicians suggest mandated vaccination for such is unacceptable. I would say we do not know the potential long term effects from the vaccinations. Probably safe but no one will guarantee that. Throw in they all have immunity from any issues that crop throws me into I'd rather not vaccinate at this point. I am not an anti-vaxxer but have seen too many medical treatments come and go.

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The vaccine seems to have some, but not great efficacy against the delta variant. People who are vaccinated seem to have mostly mild symptoms. People who are not vaccinated, while at a low risk for getting seriously ill, are at a higher risk than the unvaccinated. The vaccine seems to be safe. People with natural immunity due to prior infection seem to be significantly less likely to be reinfected. This will probably never end until we achieve herd immunity and vaccines will not achieve herd immunity. But vaccines may reduce symptoms in people who are infected. Take that for what its worth.

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Is it normal in your industry for patient guidance, treatments, etc., to be based on personal observations/thoughts? I'm not being critical of you, it's an honest question. Engineers, for example, don't do their work like that. You'll never get, "so, I think we should install a 500 gallon reactor, or maybe 300 gallon, and maybe from 316 stainless steel, because you know, I have observed similar reactors in service in plants that are producing something like what we're planning."

My opinion is medicine is typically data-driven, but Covid isn't about health/medicine, it's more about politics and economics. I just know that after 18 months of this shite, it's pretty f'n amazing that can't we get evidence-based advice from the healthcare industry.

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Letting it rip with 86 percent over 16 years old vaccinated versus letting it rip with nobody vaccinated are 2 completely different things.

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Iirc, they count those who have gotten Covid as part of their vaccinated percentage.

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Over 68% of Iceland’s population is fully vaccinated against COVID-19 while an additional 3.82% are partially vaccinated.

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So if your info is correct, then 14% of their population had Covid, recovered, and counts as part of vaccinated total.

Here in the US , that would mean 135 million out of 225 million. That would be 60% and would also be a VERY conservative estimate.

However, if the CDC is correct in believing that prior Covid recovered cases number 90 million people, Then the percentage above the age of 16 jumps to 84%.

Unfortunately, the data from the CDC is “lacking.” To be fair, Iceland is MUCH smaller so the task of the CDC was much more difficult to manage. Still, Fauci and friends have really managed things quite poorly.

The CDC has been a dumpster fire and Fauci running things has been a massive shite show.

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That is if your info is correct, and if my recollection is correct. Honestly, I didn’t see anything in a quick online search to support either of our posts. Just FYI.

I would be more than happy if this round of infections and vaccinations gets us there.

Hell, I was hoping we were there from previous infections before this round.