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re: Charlottesville unanimously votes to remove Robert E. Lee, Stonewall Jackson statues
Posted on 6/10/21 at 5:01 am to wackatimesthree
Posted on 6/10/21 at 5:01 am to wackatimesthree
You don't know your history. Slavery was a secondary issue in the Civil War. It was about about states rights and tariffs. Slavery was used later in the war to politicize the
Union cause. Thus the Gettysburg Address was after the outcome of that battle. The Irish immigrants/soldiers whom the wealthy New England Industrialist paid to take their place couldn't have given a dam about slavery. Nor could other enlisted immigrants in the Union Army.
Robert E Lee was Head of West Point and offered the command of Union Forces, He declined Lincoln, deciding to serve where his home state of Virginia decided. A great General against a larger Army.
General Jackson head of VMI and most aggressive in tactics . Still being taught in War College by our military.
I am still bothered by people who don't know history claiming the war started because of slavery it was just a rallying cry for the Northern wealthy.
It was a war of attrition an Agricultural society versus and Industrial.
After Gettysburg the War was never in doubt.
The confederate soldier and it's leadership was far superior to the Union until 1863 when by then it's ranks and supplies had been worn down.
To people interested in the war those statues symbolize, Integrity, Leadership and Bravery.
When they sent men into battle they were fighting for their families, farms, and the state they lived in. Thus the Battle Flags representing their state. Which today are called racist because some wife or daughter sewed them for the men in companies she knew.
Very Sad
PS After a Battle the most common thing found amongst the dead ? A Bible
Union cause. Thus the Gettysburg Address was after the outcome of that battle. The Irish immigrants/soldiers whom the wealthy New England Industrialist paid to take their place couldn't have given a dam about slavery. Nor could other enlisted immigrants in the Union Army.
Robert E Lee was Head of West Point and offered the command of Union Forces, He declined Lincoln, deciding to serve where his home state of Virginia decided. A great General against a larger Army.
General Jackson head of VMI and most aggressive in tactics . Still being taught in War College by our military.
I am still bothered by people who don't know history claiming the war started because of slavery it was just a rallying cry for the Northern wealthy.
It was a war of attrition an Agricultural society versus and Industrial.
After Gettysburg the War was never in doubt.
The confederate soldier and it's leadership was far superior to the Union until 1863 when by then it's ranks and supplies had been worn down.
To people interested in the war those statues symbolize, Integrity, Leadership and Bravery.
When they sent men into battle they were fighting for their families, farms, and the state they lived in. Thus the Battle Flags representing their state. Which today are called racist because some wife or daughter sewed them for the men in companies she knew.
Very Sad
PS After a Battle the most common thing found amongst the dead ? A Bible
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Posted on 6/10/21 at 5:47 am to VBFlorida
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You don't know your history. Slavery was a secondary issue in the Civil War. It was about about states rights and tariffs.
I'm afraid it is not I who doesn't know history.
If the southern states were fighting for state's rights, why did they object strenuously to northern states having the ability to make laws freeing slaves who made it inside their borders?
How do those two things square with each other?
How does Alexander Stephens' "Cornerstone Speech" in which he himself declared in 1861 that slavery was the cornerstone of the reason for secession square with what you are claiming?
If I don't know my history, then Alexander Stephens (vice-president of the Confederacy) was very confused in his present, because this is what he said (and I quote):
"But not to be tedious in enumerating the numerous changes for the better, allow me to allude to one other-though last, not least: the new Constitution has put at rest forever all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institutions-African slavery as it exists among us-the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution. Jefferson, in his forecast, had anticipated this, as the "rock upon which the old Union would split." He was right. What was conjecture with him, is now a realized fact. But whether he fully comprehended the great truth upon which that rock stood and stands, may be doubted. The prevailing ideas entertained by him and most of the leading statesmen at the time of the formation of the old Constitution were, that the enslavement of the African was in violation of the laws of nature; that it was wrong in principle, socially, morally and politically. It was an evil they knew not well how to deal with; but the general opinion of the men of that day was, that, somehow or other, in the order of Providence, the institution would be evanescent and pass away. This idea, though not incorporated in the Constitution, was the prevailing idea at the time. The Constitution, it is true, secured every essential guarantee to the institution while it should last, and hence no argument can be justly used against the constitutional guarantees thus secured, because of the common sentiment of the day. Those ideas, however, were fundamentally wrong. They rested upon the assumption of the equality of races. This was an error. It was a sandy foundation, and the idea of a Government built upon it-when the "storm came and the wind blew, it fell."
Our new Government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and moral condition.
Why didn't he say that the cornerstone of the new government was founded upon state's rights and tariffs?
This post was edited on 6/10/21 at 5:49 am
Posted on 6/10/21 at 6:47 am to VBFlorida
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You don't know your history. Slavery was a secondary issue in the Civil War. It was about about states rights and tariffs.
This is an example of the irony that the people complaining about erasing history when you remove a statue are the same group that edit history for their own liking.
This post was edited on 6/10/21 at 6:48 am
Posted on 6/10/21 at 6:55 am to VBFlorida
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You don't know your history. Slavery was a secondary issue in the Civil War. It was about about states rights and tariffs.
This is just silly. If it was about "state's rights", it was about a state's right to allow slavery. Potato/potahto
Posted on 6/10/21 at 11:36 am to VBFlorida
i was waiting for someone to come and start with this angle. two things happen in every thread about statues. someone wants to redo the civil war and then someone or many people flock to tell us it wasnt about slavey but about the state right to slavery. 
Posted on 6/10/21 at 9:05 pm to VBFlorida
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I am still bothered by people who don't know history claiming the war started because of slavery
It is a paradox. The war's "engine" was the deep divisions between North and South - industry and agriculture, Catholic and Protestant, both related to slavery and the nation's broader reliance on the goods produced by slavery both for direct export and to make finished goods (largely in the North). It was the metaphorical "tiger by the tail" by the nation and we failed to reason our way out of it.
So, it is fair to say that the "engine" of the Civil Was was the broad-based range of division. But its fuel was slavery. Without a doubt.
Posted on 6/12/21 at 3:11 am to VBFlorida
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