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re: Mississippi River pilots under fire
Posted on 5/26/21 at 7:57 am to choupiquesushi
Posted on 5/26/21 at 7:57 am to choupiquesushi
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I do in fact know TWO that are not sons, grandsons or nephews.
The one I know who isn't a son of a pilot has serious political connections. I'm happy for those that have access but I look at my brother who is a graduate of a Maritime Academy, has an unlimited license, and a good career but would never be able to darken the doorway at a pilot's association even when finishing top of his class at every step and president of associations. Thems the breaks I guess.
*I do think pilots provide a critical role. I do think their operations could use a retooling. I have seen first hand how conflict between Pilot and Master can lead to incredibly huge damages in terms of injuries and property damages.
This post was edited on 5/26/21 at 8:14 am
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Posted on 5/26/21 at 8:04 am to Hermit Crab
A Politician saying this is very laughable.
Posted on 5/26/21 at 8:06 am to Saskwatch
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The one I know who isn't a son of a pilot has serious political connections. I'm happy for those that have access but I look at my brother who has an unlimited license with a good career but would never be able to darken the doorway at a pilot's association even when finishing top of his class at every step and president of associations. Thems the breaks I guess.
*I do think pilots provide a critical role. I do think their operations could use a retooling. I have seen first hand how conflict between Pilot and Master can lead to incredibly huge damages in terms of injuries and property damages
yes one does have serious political ties, the other does not. He worked his way up and tried for years, even with a neighbor who was a "powerful" leader in crescent it took him about 12 -15 years longer than a "family" guy.
Posted on 5/26/21 at 8:30 am to vince vega
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It's a big reason the port industry on the Mississippi river and hence all of Louisiana has suffered and declined while other ports (Houston) have prospered
I have no dog in this fight, but this is completely false and you dumb fricks are all bitchin about something you are clueless about.
The River pilots in Louisiana make no more then pilots elsewhere such as Houston, miami, etc. Every port requires these positions.
The nepotism is also not really true. Yes it’s true it’s a weird career path to take and has very unique job path and requirements. One of the reason a vast majority hired are related to nepotism is because of that odd career path.
Does anyone know someone that had all the requirements that was passed over for a job? Honest question
Posted on 5/26/21 at 8:40 am to Saskwatch
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good career but would never be able to darken the doorway at a pilot's association even when finishing top of his class at every step and president of associations. Thems the breaks I guess.
With all due respect your brother isn’t playing the game right then. Let’s not act like this is the only job where doing your best to know the right people, make the right connections, and playing the game of life helps out a lot.
Furthermore, people act like this is the only maritime job that pays well. If he’s on that same career path then he can make a damn good living.
Posted on 5/26/21 at 8:42 am to choupiquesushi
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know about 30 and I do in fact know TWO that are not sons, grandsons or nephews.
Who are they married too?
Posted on 5/26/21 at 8:44 am to Oilfieldbiology
quote:neither wife has pilot ties
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know about 30 and I do in fact know TWO that are not sons, grandsons or nephews.
Who are they married too?
Posted on 5/26/21 at 8:51 am to baldona
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Let’s not act like this is the only job where doing your best to know the right people, make the right connections, and playing the game of life helps out a lot.
Yeah I mean he's done all that. He is friends and has connections with current pilots. Look at the theme of this thread. Unless you are blood, married in, or you can provide political sway then you're barking up the wrong tree. There is that one guy's neighbor but he'd be the anomally.
This post was edited on 5/26/21 at 8:52 am
Posted on 5/26/21 at 8:51 am to baldona
Old link from 2001, updated in 2019
2020 link showing where pilots in LA asked for a 28% raise. During the pandemic.
Houston ship pilot asking for a raise. Already make almost $500,000
So LA pilots make more, but not astronomically more than Houston pilots.
2020 link showing where pilots in LA asked for a 28% raise. During the pandemic.
Houston ship pilot asking for a raise. Already make almost $500,000
So LA pilots make more, but not astronomically more than Houston pilots.
This post was edited on 5/26/21 at 8:53 am
Posted on 5/26/21 at 9:02 am to Oilfieldbiology
frick em, they want a regulated monopoly industry with regulated pay, let’s regulate the hiring process out from under them.
Posted on 5/26/21 at 9:36 am to Saskwatch
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Yeah I mean he's done all that. He is friends and has connections with current pilots. Look at the theme of this thread. Unless you are blood, married in, or you can provide political sway then you're barking up the wrong tree. There is that one guy's neighbor but he'd be the anomally.
So then no he hasn't then. If he was actually friends with and had connections then he'd be able to become a river pilot. Again, I'm well aware its not easy. I've also seen the requirements and career path the river pilots take, and again very very few people actually take the path to qualify for the job. Not that the qualifications are that hard, its just rare.
Its not like we are talking about graduating college with a business degree is the only requirement and only those in the know get hired, which btw happens plenty also.
Posted on 5/26/21 at 9:48 am to baldona
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If he was actually friends with and had connections then he'd be able to become a river pilot
It's like you refuse to read what others have posted. Are you a river pilot, or do you know any?
Posted on 5/26/21 at 10:53 am to Saskwatch
After spending many years on the river, my gripe with the pilot's associations is not the money they make, although it is ludicrous, it is the lack of responsibility. They can screw up, cause millions in damage and just walk away.
Posted on 5/26/21 at 10:57 am to baldona
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Does anyone know someone that had all the requirements that was passed over for a job? Honest question
Know several people that met every possible requirement to be a airline pilot but could not get a slot, while those that had better connections got in. Happens in every career field I can think of. All other things being equal, a applicant has a better chance of getting into medical school if one of their parents is a physician.
Posted on 5/26/21 at 11:00 am to Tigerpaw123
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Key point
You just don't understand. While family lineage has no impact on one's ability to be trained to fly a F-22 or to land a space shuttle on the moon, piloting a river boat is just way above all that and requires this unique qualification.
Posted on 5/26/21 at 11:45 am to EA6B
quote:But this flies right in the face of underachievers/underperformers who think that everything in the world should be “fair.”
All other things being equal, a applicant has a better chance of getting into medical school if one of their parents is a physician
Posted on 5/26/21 at 12:29 pm to keks tadpole
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Considering that freight and shipping are pro-rated into the cost of the product, then in reality the end-user / consumer is indirectly paying the outrageous fees.
Thank you, Captain Obvious.
Why does everybody on here nitpick every little fricking thing?
There are companies, on record, saying the cost of the riverboat pilots is getting outrageous.
Wonder why they even bother to care? If only there were a reason companies should give a shite about the price of their products, which include shipping costs.
Posted on 5/26/21 at 12:30 pm to Adam4LSU
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the shipping companies don't give a shite, they just raise their prices to reflect
Right!
Not like there's a reason they should care about excessive costs.
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