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S.F. police union clears way for civilians, not cops, to respond to non-violent calls for

Posted on 12/21/20 at 5:04 pm
Posted by lsuoilengr
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Posted on 12/21/20 at 5:04 pm
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The president of San Francisco’s police union has signed a letter of intent with the city that clears the way for non-sworn service providers — instead of police officers — to respond to calls involving mental health, homelessness and other non-violent issues.

The document itemizes 17 types of calls for service in which police union officials agree civilians could be the primary responders. This list includes homelessness and quality of life calls, non-criminal mental health calls, juvenile disturbances, public health violations, traffic congestion, parking violations and dog complaints.

“Currently, police officers are the initial responders and primary resource on certain calls for service that may be better suited to mental health or non-law enforcement professionals,” the letter stated.

POA President Tony Montoya said San Francisco officers spend a “significant” amount of time on these types of calls, the bulk of which are dedicated to homelessness issues.

“It’s going to free up more officers to do what traditionally police officers should be doing,” Montoya said, highlighting duties like community engagement and preventing and tending to violent crimes.

“The reality is our staffing is not getting any better,” he said. “This will be a better use of the limited resources we have.”

The “collaboration agreement” came just days before the Board of Supervisors on Tuesday voted to extend police officers’ labor contract for two years, a move that will save the city millions during the coronavirus crisis. The action delays the force’s upcoming raises in exchange for future, steeper pay bumps, but it drew criticism by some who wanted to use negotiations to help impose reforms amid nationwide unrest over police killings of Black people.

The agreement passed 9-2, with supervisors Hillary Ronen and Dean Preston opposed. Ronen has argued that the city has not negotiated hard enough with the police union for reforms, and she is pushing to make bargaining more transparent.

Rocky Lucia, labor attorney for the San Francisco Police Officers Association, said the letter of intent has been in the works for months, and is intended as a proactive gesture that will allow the city to enact the type of police reforms laid out by Mayor London Breed.

Central to this vision was a push to divert sworn officers away from noncriminal activities, and replace them with unarmed professionals better trained to handle situations like behavioral health crises.



2021 is gonna be lit
Posted by Privateer 2007
Member since Jan 2020
7670 posts
Posted on 12/21/20 at 5:05 pm to
frick em.
At this point, I don't care.
I'm gonna laugh when it goes absolutely horrible.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
71272 posts
Posted on 12/21/20 at 5:06 pm to
The biggest problem here, and the elephant in the room, is that mental health calls often become violent with little or no warning.

This is going to be a shitshow.


ETA: It also ignores the fact that most police departments of any size already employ trained mental health specialists.
This post was edited on 12/21/20 at 5:09 pm
Posted by Nado Jenkins83
Land of the Free
Member since Nov 2012
64866 posts
Posted on 12/21/20 at 5:06 pm to
Cant wait for the videos of druggies throwing poop on these people
Posted by fallguy_1978
Best States #50
Member since Feb 2018
52956 posts
Posted on 12/21/20 at 5:06 pm to
San Francisco is a beautiful city but I could never deal with their political situation.
Posted by Breauxsif
Member since May 2012
22291 posts
Posted on 12/21/20 at 5:07 pm to
quote:

POA President Tony Montoya

There’s the problem
Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
179111 posts
Posted on 12/21/20 at 5:10 pm to
Man, the legal liability for all involved is crazy. How stupid
Posted by WinnPtiger
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 12/21/20 at 5:11 pm to
Posted by Packer
IE, California
Member since May 2017
8686 posts
Posted on 12/21/20 at 5:11 pm to
From my experience living in a place with a lot of homeless, this is 1/2 right. What cleaned up the homelessness in our area was civilians and police officers working together. Social workers and cops would show up to homeless encampments and give the homeless 1 of 2 choices. Work with the social workers and get help or go to jail, most often for trespassing, drugs, paraphernalia, etc. Most of the homeless would take option two, but the repeat jailing and having their stuff (i.e. litter) thrown out made them clear out of the area.
Posted by Otto Scorzany
Member since Nov 2020
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Posted on 12/21/20 at 5:12 pm to
I say let them try. It’s their city.
Posted by OweO
Plaquemine, La
Member since Sep 2009
119984 posts
Posted on 12/21/20 at 5:16 pm to
Cool. They can be the guinea pig. Depending on how it goes maybe other departments can establish their own version of something like this.

Or.. It might prove to people that the problem isn't easily fixed and there are some things that will unfortunately happen.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
294570 posts
Posted on 12/21/20 at 5:20 pm to
When dealing with drunks locally, the police refer you to a third party who deals with inebriates. Probably doesn't hurt to have trained third parties to deal with some of this stuff.

Posted by NakaTrash
Texas Hill Country
Member since Dec 2013
6139 posts
Posted on 12/21/20 at 5:22 pm to
Posted by red sox fan 13
Valley Park
Member since Aug 2018
18278 posts
Posted on 12/21/20 at 5:24 pm to
San Fran gonna San Fran. I don’t live there and I’ll probably never visit so I don’t really care.
Posted by CheEngineer
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2019
4234 posts
Posted on 12/21/20 at 5:26 pm to
Can we get a sticky and keep a tally of wins and losses for these jokers. They are going to be a lot of peace and love liberal nut jobs getting a strong dose of reality. Didn’t they just have a woman murder the other day doing this shite? Maybe in a different liberal shite hole?
This post was edited on 12/21/20 at 5:33 pm
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
135489 posts
Posted on 12/21/20 at 5:27 pm to
Wait till they try to have a heart to heart with someone who likes to poop on the sidewalk.
Posted by lsusteve1
Member since Dec 2004
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Posted on 12/21/20 at 5:28 pm to
Then who will they blame?
Posted by Waldorf
Member since Aug 2020
256 posts
Posted on 12/21/20 at 5:40 pm to
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Cant wait for the videos of druggies throwing poop on these people


Or the video of a 275 pound 6'-3 naked man having a breakdown because the crack (or lack of) just took hold in front of a 115 lb social worker with no training or weapon for defence, that was called for a despondent sad person on his porch.
This post was edited on 12/21/20 at 5:41 pm
Posted by The People
LSU Alumni
Member since Aug 2008
4397 posts
Posted on 12/21/20 at 5:44 pm to
This is a win for Cops on the job out there.

First of all, we hate those calls. Homeless people are mostly dirty, rude, assholes that don't care about going to jail and have little to lose.

Secondly, this will be a quick learning moment for bleeding heart liberals who think they have all the answers. It won't last more than a few weeks before most of these civilians realize it is not worth the virtue signaling points.

Public service is a grind. Serving the lowest common denominator day in and day out will take it's toll quickly.

We eagerly look forward to uttering those sweet 4 little words: I told you so.
This post was edited on 12/21/20 at 5:45 pm
Posted by pjab
Member since Mar 2016
5743 posts
Posted on 12/21/20 at 5:51 pm to
Property values in CO and Texas just went up again.
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