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Analysis of Polls vs. Actual Results
Posted on 9/21/20 at 10:42 am
Posted on 9/21/20 at 10:42 am
So I went back and looked at the final RCP average battleground state polls from 2016 and compared them to the actual results to see if I could find a "Hidden Trump Voter" factor to apply to this year's polls.
Pennsylvania was where the polls were way off. Clinton was +6.2 on Election Day. Trump won by 0.7 (? 6.9)
Florida was 0.0, Trump won by 1.2 (? 1.2)
Wisconsin was Clinton 4.0, Trump won 0.7 (? 4.7)
Michigan was Clinton 5.2, Trump won 0.3 (? 5.5)
North Carolina was Trump 1.7, Trump won by 3.7 (? 2.0)
In these five states, the ? from poll result to actual results averaged 4.09 in favor of Trump.
This year, these states' polls look like this.
PA - Biden 4.0
FL - Biden 1.6
WI - Biden 6.7
MI - Biden 4.8
NC - Biden 0.9
If you apply the mean ? to these five states, then Trump would win FL, PA and NC, which would leave him one state short of winning. I believe that this is how the Democrats are interpreting the polls.
I believe the better format is apply the median ? of 4.7, which would give Trump PA and make Michigan a statistical tie.
In short, add between 4.09 and 4.7 to Trump's numbers in any battleground state poll to see what the 2016 electorate applied would look like.
I also do not believe that Democrats will come out like they did for Hillary. I believe that there were 3.8 million women who voted for Hillary only because she could have made history as the first woman president. Some will come with Kamala on the ticket, but not as many. This is what is putting states like Minnesota in play. Lots of feminists in Minnesota who aren't excited about voting for an old white man.
Edit: The ? above is supposed to be the symbol for Delta. Unicode not allowed on TD.
Pennsylvania was where the polls were way off. Clinton was +6.2 on Election Day. Trump won by 0.7 (? 6.9)
Florida was 0.0, Trump won by 1.2 (? 1.2)
Wisconsin was Clinton 4.0, Trump won 0.7 (? 4.7)
Michigan was Clinton 5.2, Trump won 0.3 (? 5.5)
North Carolina was Trump 1.7, Trump won by 3.7 (? 2.0)
In these five states, the ? from poll result to actual results averaged 4.09 in favor of Trump.
This year, these states' polls look like this.
PA - Biden 4.0
FL - Biden 1.6
WI - Biden 6.7
MI - Biden 4.8
NC - Biden 0.9
If you apply the mean ? to these five states, then Trump would win FL, PA and NC, which would leave him one state short of winning. I believe that this is how the Democrats are interpreting the polls.
I believe the better format is apply the median ? of 4.7, which would give Trump PA and make Michigan a statistical tie.
In short, add between 4.09 and 4.7 to Trump's numbers in any battleground state poll to see what the 2016 electorate applied would look like.
I also do not believe that Democrats will come out like they did for Hillary. I believe that there were 3.8 million women who voted for Hillary only because she could have made history as the first woman president. Some will come with Kamala on the ticket, but not as many. This is what is putting states like Minnesota in play. Lots of feminists in Minnesota who aren't excited about voting for an old white man.
Edit: The ? above is supposed to be the symbol for Delta. Unicode not allowed on TD.
This post was edited on 9/21/20 at 10:43 am
Posted on 9/21/20 at 10:45 am to anc
according to polls, the errors that were made in 2016 have been corrected
Posted on 9/21/20 at 10:46 am to anc
quote:
"Hidden Trump Voter" factor
Is bigger this year...substantially bigger
Posted on 9/21/20 at 10:46 am to anc
Eh, women hate whores. I doubt Kamala gets the women vote at least suburban women.
Posted on 9/21/20 at 10:49 am to anc
Why not just apply the error rate from 2016 directly to the State in question. That would result in
PA - Trump 2.9
FL - Biden 0.4
WI - Biden 2.0
MI - Trump 0.7
NC - Trump 1.1
PA - Trump 2.9
FL - Biden 0.4
WI - Biden 2.0
MI - Trump 0.7
NC - Trump 1.1
Posted on 9/21/20 at 10:51 am to anc
quote:
also do not believe that Democrats will come out like they did for Hillary.
Great analysis and it shows that the battleground states will be razor thin.
Do you have data to support the statement above? I think one could also make a good argument that Democrats stayed home in 2016 due to erroneous polls, and will not make that mistake in 2020.
Posted on 9/21/20 at 10:51 am to anc
Yet, how can you factor in the unadulterated fraud inherent in those states with rampant mail in voting?
I dont think anyone can statistically account for a variable we dont truly understand, only that it will have some skew towards D.
I dont think anyone can statistically account for a variable we dont truly understand, only that it will have some skew towards D.
Posted on 9/21/20 at 10:52 am to anc
I think you have it backwards I think the Dems come out more for Biden. Hillary was that disliked
Posted on 9/21/20 at 10:54 am to anc
quote:
I also do not believe that Democrats will come out like they did for Hillary.
Apparently the city of Detroit is an excellent indicator of election day turnout.
I knew a DNC strategist when I lived in DC during the last election. He said he knew Trump was going to win when he got a report that lines in Detroit's most populated polling places were nearly non-existent at 4pm on election day.
Of course, it is going to be hard to predict voter turnout with mail-in voting, but we should have a good idea of who will win by mid-afternoon on November 3rd based on the turnout in Detroit.
Posted on 9/21/20 at 10:59 am to anc
I still don’t understand the reason for the consistent hidden 2016 Trump poll numbers. Can someone here explain that?
Posted on 9/21/20 at 11:05 am to anc
Biden landslides any state allowing mail-in voting. Thats a fact no way around it.
Posted on 9/21/20 at 11:40 am to anc
An old white man with dementia that has been deep inside D.istrict of C.orruption for a half century wins the Presidency. Take that in for a second ………...
Posted on 9/21/20 at 11:44 am to anc
I think Dems will come out even more for Biden than Hillary. There were a lot of Bernie diehards who refused to vote for Hillary. They are all united this go round.
Posted on 9/21/20 at 12:22 pm to anc
Great. Now re-do the numbers with the following:
45% gay males saying they will vote MAGA
AND
22-24% of the Black vote.
Thanks
45% gay males saying they will vote MAGA
AND
22-24% of the Black vote.
Thanks
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