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re: LeBron James is only responsible for 1 NBA Finals Defeat
Posted on 4/29/20 at 5:53 am to Stretch Suba
Posted on 4/29/20 at 5:53 am to Stretch Suba
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LeBron’s legacy is nothing is ever his fault.
I literally said the 2011 loss was his fault. But for the others one you cant fault him when he was generally the best player in the series and his teammates failed him.
Posted on 4/29/20 at 6:46 am to Rep520
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It's a lost cause. Team MJ here has 25% of its members that can't acknowledge anything good about LeBron.
This guy is in a league of his own though. He doesn't believe Lebron is a top 5 player. Even most Lebron haters would have a very hard to saying something like that.
Posted on 4/29/20 at 7:13 am to rockiee
LeBron’s an arguable top 5 player of all-time and would be ranked 5 as it stands, I say arguable because there’s a few players I’d interchange at the 5 spot, my top 5 all-time list is
1. MJ
2. Kareem
3. Larry
4. Tim Duncan
5. LeBron/Bill Russell/Kobe/Magic
1. MJ
2. Kareem
3. Larry
4. Tim Duncan
5. LeBron/Bill Russell/Kobe/Magic
Posted on 4/29/20 at 8:05 am to PhillyFan1994
No we are saying the warriors team that lebron beat in the finals was nothing close to the warriors team that won 73. The first four games of the series, sure. GSW up 3-1. Then you got a pitiful green suspension, bogut out, iggy back tweak, Steph being banged up. The team that won 73 wasn’t playing Anderson varejao any meaningful minutes, yet there he was playing in the second half of game 7. He was so washed the cavs had cut him earlier in the year. golden state at even decent health would have won 5 in a row. The only one they may have lost was when Chris got hurt in game 5 in Houston.
This post was edited on 4/29/20 at 8:06 am
Posted on 4/29/20 at 8:09 am to Boomshockalocka
Not to mention that same 73-win team had to overcome a 3-1 deficit to the Thunder just to make the Finals, whatever dominance there was in that regular season wasn’t there in the playoffs, injuries hampered them to a degree
Posted on 4/29/20 at 8:14 am to Goldrush25
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That doesn't explain why there wasn't anyone else in their prime that could measure up to him.
Likely because he's the greatest player basketball has ever seen.
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There was no other mega-star but him. Today there are several.
Likely because there are several players competing for the title of best in the league. That happens when there is no clear best player.
Posted on 4/29/20 at 8:50 am to ThePTExperience1969
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LeBron’s an arguable top 5 player of all-time and would be ranked 5 as it stands, I say arguable because there’s a few players I’d interchange at the 5 spot, my top 5 all-time list is
1. MJ
2. Kareem
3. Larry
4. Tim Duncan
5. LeBron/Bill Russell/Kobe/Magic
Pleass list one legit way Bird has an edge over LeBron. Only two players you named who have any claim to a spot over LBJ are MJ and Kareem and I would still put LBJ over Kareem.
Posted on 4/29/20 at 8:53 am to Boomshockalocka
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No we are saying the warriors team that lebron beat in the finals was nothing close to the warriors team that won 73. The first four games of the series, sure. GSW up 3-1. Then you got a pitiful green suspension, bogut out, iggy back tweak, Steph being banged up. The team that won 73 wasn’t playing Anderson varejao any meaningful minutes, yet there he was playing in the second half of game 7. He was so washed the cavs had cut him earlier in the year. golden state at even decent health would have won 5 in a row. The only one they may have lost was when Chris got hurt in game 5 in Houston.
You know everything you mentioned was entirely the fault of GSW right? Draymond shouldnt have been an idiot and gotten himself suspended. And GSW hurt themselves chasing 73-9. They had clitched home courr advantage weeks before and had no reason other than to chase a meaningless record to be playing their starters that late in the season.
Posted on 4/29/20 at 9:06 am to PhillyFan1994
none of that changes what is glaringly obvious.
Lebron didn’t beat the 73 win warriors. He beat a version of them who would won around 50. You don’t get credit for beating the 73 win team unless you beat them when they are in the same form they were in when they won 73.
Lebron didn’t beat the 73 win warriors. He beat a version of them who would won around 50. You don’t get credit for beating the 73 win team unless you beat them when they are in the same form they were in when they won 73.
Posted on 4/29/20 at 9:13 am to ClemsonRules
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He sucked in that series...he cramped up like a puss in game one and was carried from the floor crying like a girl. He didn’t show up for game five as his team got blown out by 30+ in the close out game.
ETA: Kawhi was series MVP and completely dominated James so there’s that
In Game 5, he led both teams in scoring and rebounding and was second to Diaw in assists. That's an odd definition of not showing up. It was 17, not 30 if that matters.
It's a weird world where someone claims Kawhi's 17, 6 and 2 dominates LeBron's 28, 8 and 4.
Posted on 4/29/20 at 9:28 am to Boomshockalocka
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No we are saying the warriors team that lebron beat in the finals was nothing close to the warriors team that won 73. The first four games of the series, sure. GSW up 3-1. Then you got a pitiful green suspension, bogut out, iggy back tweak, Steph being banged up. The team that won 73 wasn’t playing Anderson varejao any meaningful minutes, yet there he was playing in the second half of game 7. He was so washed the cavs had cut him earlier in the year. golden state at even decent health would have won 5 in a row. The only one they may have lost was when Chris got hurt in game 5 in Houston.
WBB, we’ve been over this several times. Your failure to plan your trolls out better precludes anyone from taking this laughably casual take you continue trotting out there seriously. Not when you:
- Say Irving and love missing the 2015 finals didn’t have an impact on the series, then say
- Say the warriors were too injured in 2016 to be considered a 73 win team, despite none of their key players missing any amount of game time minus green being suspended for 1 game for being a dumbass, which is offset by love missing a game with a concussion. And no, Andrew bogut and his 12 minutes per game do not count as a key player. Then say
- The rockets almost beat an all time great team in 2018 and 2019, while attempting to ignore the fact that instead of being “banged up” curry was 6 weeks removed from actual knee surgery, instead of having a “back tweak” iguodala was missing multiple games, Thompson left a game with a knee injury, curry and Thompson both injuring their ankles in the final game of the previous series, Durant missing the final 5 quarters of the series, etc.
It just doesn’t work that way.
And oh yea, all this 4 vs 1 all star talk. Chris Paul has been an all star for basically his entire career before, and now after Houston. His problem was not recognizing that harden makes the people around him worse sooner. His performance this year clearly proves he is an all star level player.
Posted on 4/29/20 at 9:31 am to Bench McElroy
How many first round exits is Jordan responsible for? Sad that a bunch of old heads claim Jordan as their goat when in reality he needed Pippen before he could win anything.
Posted on 4/29/20 at 9:39 am to Open Your Eyes
Kyrie and love being hurt didn’t matter. It wouldn’t have affected the outcome. Golden state was clearly better than Cleveland every year they played with both teams in reasonable health. Sometimes an injury plays a major role in the outcome, other times it doesn’t. Golden state the last 5 years with even average health wins all 5 titles. The only ones they had a chance to lose was v CC. That is why Coach kerr said that the rockets were the best team that golden state had played since he had been the coach there.
Posted on 4/29/20 at 9:42 am to Boomshockalocka
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You don’t get credit for beating the 73 win team unless you beat them when they are in the same form they were in when they won 73.
This is coming from the same guy who a couple pages earlier tried to give Jordan full credit for a season in which he didn't play a single game. I'm out.
Posted on 4/29/20 at 9:50 am to Tangineck
Jordan made those guys better players. It is the same impact of say a coach who you used to play for. If you do well after you don’t play for that coach anymore it is a testament to that coach Bc he helped you to become the player that you became. It is not a difficult concept.
Posted on 4/29/20 at 9:53 am to Rep520
People are irrational when it comes to Lebron.
More points than Michael on less shots.
Higher FG % despite having 4 thousand more 3pt attempts.
He is going to pass Magic Johnson in assists.
The best highlight reel of all time by far.
MVPs,Championships and Finals MVPS with multiple franchises. Went to the Finals with 4 different coaches.
Did it in most talented era of basketball and sustained greatness the longest.
I'll entertain someone if they say the prefer someone's else's game to Lebrons, but I'm no longer entertaining anyone being better than Lebron.
More points than Michael on less shots.
Higher FG % despite having 4 thousand more 3pt attempts.
He is going to pass Magic Johnson in assists.
The best highlight reel of all time by far.
MVPs,Championships and Finals MVPS with multiple franchises. Went to the Finals with 4 different coaches.
Did it in most talented era of basketball and sustained greatness the longest.
I'll entertain someone if they say the prefer someone's else's game to Lebrons, but I'm no longer entertaining anyone being better than Lebron.
This post was edited on 4/29/20 at 1:56 pm
Posted on 4/29/20 at 9:56 am to Boomshockalocka
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Jordan made those guys better players
Then why was he only worth 2 extra wins the year before?
Lebron was worth 42.
Posted on 4/29/20 at 9:57 am to Boomshockalocka
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Kyrie and love being hurt didn’t matter. It wouldn’t have affected the outcome. Golden state was clearly better than Cleveland every year they played with both teams in reasonable health.
So GSW beats the Cavs in 2015 without two of their three best players and you say it didnt matter.
But the Cavs beat fully healthy GSW in 2016 and you say that was a fluke??
I just dont see the logic here
This post was edited on 4/29/20 at 9:58 am
Posted on 4/29/20 at 9:58 am to Boomshockalocka
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Kyrie and love being hurt didn’t matter. It wouldn’t have affected the outcome.
Yes, we know you started this stupid troll the year after the 2016 series to attempt to reduce the monumental accomplishment of coming back from a 3-1 deficit against a 73 win team.
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Golden state was clearly better than Cleveland every year they played with both teams in reasonable health.
Golden state lost 2 games to Cleveland in 2015 when they were as healthy as a team can be at that time of year and Cleveland was trotting out Matthew dellavedova as their #2 option.
Cleveland beat golden state 4-3 in 2016 with both teams having their #3 player miss 1 game, and every other key player handling at least their normal workload.
Your trolls have reduced you to nothing but casual fan takes that have no evidence supporting them, outside andrew bogut’s 12 mpg
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Golden state the last 5 years with even average health wins all 5 titles.
The only year they had anything remotely below non-average health in the finals during those 5 years was last year WBB.
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The only ones they had a chance to lose was v CC.
When they were more injured both years than they ever were against Cleveland in 2016.
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That is why Coach kerr said that the rockets were the best team that golden state had played since he had been the coach there.
Kerr says a lot of stuff. Provide a link with quotes of him saying this. I’ll work on getting links of Kobe saying you can’t win a championship playing the way harden does. And the numerous other current and former players that mock harden.
Posted on 4/29/20 at 10:03 am to Tangineck
Jordan bulls was full of vets who wanted to win and had an organization who wanted to win. Cavs went to rebuild mode when he left.
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