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AD's weigh in: Coronavirus vs College Football (SI)
Posted on 4/8/20 at 11:11 am
Posted on 4/8/20 at 11:11 am
By Ross Dellenger & Pat Forde
How the College Football Season Could Be Shaped By the Coronavirus Pandemic
1) When can on-campus practice begin?
2) What are the options for a football season?
The article goes on much longer, discussion the money ramifications. CLick link up for more.
How the College Football Season Could Be Shaped By the Coronavirus Pandemic
1) When can on-campus practice begin?
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If the first step to a return of football is virus-related—vaccine, etc.—the second step is multiple weeks of organized, on-campus activities (yes, we’re talkin' 'bout practice)
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In June, eight weeks of summer training—theoretically voluntary, but in reality mandatory—prepares players for camp in August. Then the season kicks off a month later. Rinse, repeat.
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So what’s the safest amount of preparation time a football team needs to play live games? This question produces a wide range of answers from those in the college athletics industry. Penn State athletic director Sandy Barbour’s suggestion of 60 days is on the high end, while South Carolina athletic director Ray Tanner’s pitch of one month is on the low end. Alabama coach Nick Saban suggests at least six weeks, and Clemson coach Dabo Swinney says players should return at some point in July to be ready for kickoff as it is currently scheduled.
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The most qualified answer, though, comes from Tory Lindley, a senior associate athletic director at Northwestern and the president of the National Trainers Association. “I cannot believe we can do it in a truncated time period of what we already do from a practice standpoint,” he says. “That right now is the month of August. It would be difficult to believe it could be shorter than it has been for decades. “Where they’ve been, who they’ve been in contact with” says Lindley, “And we’ve got to go in depth as to what level you have executed the strength program you’ve been given.”/quote]
[quote]Coaches fear the time away from that supervision will adversely impact less-driven players. “You’re telling me these kids have gone home and are eating like they’re eating with these nutritionists at the school? Come on,” says one coach
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A football team environment is a natural incubator for the spread of any illness. For years, viral infections have incapacitated entire squads. College football practices include more than 120 players and another 75 staff members. “In the absence of there being a vaccine, it would be difficult to know we have eliminated any threat to exposure with the virus unless they are tested,” Lindley says.
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Can you have on-campus athletic activities—say, football workouts in July or early August—without having students in class? “If it's too dangerous for kids to be on campus, how would it be O.K. to play football?” says USC athletic director Mike Bohn. Not all agree. Tanner believes athletes could return before other students if it is deemed safe enough, and Texas A&M president Michael Young suggests that athletes could practice if there is teamwide virus testing. “Right now the tests take some periods of time to get back,” Young said. “If we could do that quicker, you could imagine getting the whole football team together, an (academic) class together, and test you all and see you are all O.K. and then you can all gather. That is conceivable.”
2) What are the options for a football season?
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In college football, specifically, outlandish scenarios have been discussed, from moving the start of the season to July—which has since been debunked—to a 2021 schedule that begins in winter and ends in the spring. Playing games in the middle of the summer offends the sensibilities of those in the Deep South, while a January–February schedule would not play well in the Upper Midwest
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Decision-makers who spoke to SI point to more practical options. Those include a truncated season, potentially with conference games only, that begins in October; a full season that starts in October, pushing bowl season to January and the playoff to February; and a season in which attendance is limited or altogether nonexistent. However, these are merely projections made months out.
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Despite the fluidity of the situation, schools are somewhat on a timetable. Last week, Pac-12 commissioner Larry Scott said that a decision on football season and the postseason would need to be made by the end of May. After all, a truncated season starting later than scheduled could make for scheduling chaos that needs weeks to resolve.
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For instance, the city of New Orleans alone has 10 times the number of cases as all of Nebraska. “What if Texas is farther along than Colorado and Colorado says, ‘We can’t play yet,’ but Texas is in good shape?” Bjork says. “We play Fresno in a non-conference game. What about California?”
The article goes on much longer, discussion the money ramifications. CLick link up for more.
Posted on 4/8/20 at 11:12 am to Lester Earl
Mike Gundy is rolling out on 5/1
Posted on 4/8/20 at 11:17 am to Lester Earl
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The most qualified answer, though, comes from Tory Lindley, a senior associate athletic director at Northwestern and the president of the National Trainers Association.
Why is that the most qualified answer?
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“I cannot believe we can do it in a truncated time period"
Oh, it's because they agree with his answer.
This post was edited on 4/8/20 at 11:18 am
Posted on 4/8/20 at 11:36 am to TheCaterpillar
I think it might have to do with his title:
President of the National Trainers Association.
President of the National Trainers Association.
Posted on 4/8/20 at 11:37 am to Lester Earl
Nah, let me have this one
Posted on 4/8/20 at 11:38 am to TheCaterpillar
Shooters shoot.
Im taking any football I can get. Whether its 8 games or a full slate.
Im taking any football I can get. Whether its 8 games or a full slate.
Posted on 4/8/20 at 11:39 am to Lester Earl
This is the reason why, sadly, I'm not optimistic college football season will proceed as normal
It is very likely every school in the country is going to have online-only classes for the summer semester. In fact, the article specifically mentions LSU is one of the schools that have already announced that's what they are doing. If the university won't allow non-athlete students on campus for classes, it is HIGHLY unlikely they are going to allow student athletes on campus for workouts. That probably puts us in August before players will even be allowed back on campus. With virtually no organized offseason workouts are teams, coaches, players, going to be comfortable starting the season with just one month of organized workouts/practice?
There has been heard panic and reaction to this event with no one wanted to be the leader who adopts a "incrementally reevalation approach" in the face of other leaders taking a scorched earth complete lockdown approach until further notice. We saw that happen with the college basketball tournaments
At first everything was going ahead as scheduled. Then, the NBA suspended their season. That night the colleges still continued their tournaments as scheduled, but announced the next day's games would be played with limited fans. However, (I think it was the Big 10) announced the next morning it was canceling their conf. tournament. Almost IMMEDIATELY all of the other conferences did the same thing. Once that first domino fell so did the rest. No one wanted to be the only commissioner/president who didn't fall in line
As noted by the article, the AD's are desperate to have football go on as scheduled. It literally is the driver for all of the other sports (absent college basketball). Without that money, the AD's are fricked with regards to the other sports. However, unless and until someone decides to go against the grain, everyone else is going to stand against the wall waiting for one of their peers to take the first step forward.
I DESPERATELY hope I am wrong, but I am preparing for a fall without college football (at least in September)
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Can you have on-campus athletic activities—say, football workouts in July or early August—without having students in class? “If it's too dangerous for kids to be on campus, how would it be O.K. to play football?” says USC athletic director Mike Bohn. Not all agree. Tanner believes athletes could return before other students if it is deemed safe enough, and Texas A&M president Michael Young suggests that athletes could practice if there is teamwide virus testing. “Right now the tests take some periods of time to get back,” Young said. “If we could do that quicker, you could imagine getting the whole football team together, an (academic) class together, and test you all and see you are all O.K. and then you can all gather. That is conceivable.”
It is very likely every school in the country is going to have online-only classes for the summer semester. In fact, the article specifically mentions LSU is one of the schools that have already announced that's what they are doing. If the university won't allow non-athlete students on campus for classes, it is HIGHLY unlikely they are going to allow student athletes on campus for workouts. That probably puts us in August before players will even be allowed back on campus. With virtually no organized offseason workouts are teams, coaches, players, going to be comfortable starting the season with just one month of organized workouts/practice?
There has been heard panic and reaction to this event with no one wanted to be the leader who adopts a "incrementally reevalation approach" in the face of other leaders taking a scorched earth complete lockdown approach until further notice. We saw that happen with the college basketball tournaments
At first everything was going ahead as scheduled. Then, the NBA suspended their season. That night the colleges still continued their tournaments as scheduled, but announced the next day's games would be played with limited fans. However, (I think it was the Big 10) announced the next morning it was canceling their conf. tournament. Almost IMMEDIATELY all of the other conferences did the same thing. Once that first domino fell so did the rest. No one wanted to be the only commissioner/president who didn't fall in line
As noted by the article, the AD's are desperate to have football go on as scheduled. It literally is the driver for all of the other sports (absent college basketball). Without that money, the AD's are fricked with regards to the other sports. However, unless and until someone decides to go against the grain, everyone else is going to stand against the wall waiting for one of their peers to take the first step forward.
I DESPERATELY hope I am wrong, but I am preparing for a fall without college football (at least in September)
Posted on 4/8/20 at 11:44 am to Alt26
First, Frick Forde.
Second, our colleges and universities are run by individuals who don't want this issue to end any time soon. Period.
PS - Not talking about athletic offices.
Second, our colleges and universities are run by individuals who don't want this issue to end any time soon. Period.
PS - Not talking about athletic offices.
Posted on 4/8/20 at 12:04 pm to Alt26
Alt, good post, but even with college basketball, football still drives this mutha. (And I love LSU, Will Wade and college basketball).
Posted on 4/8/20 at 12:05 pm to Lester Earl
Anthony Davis said all this?
Posted on 4/8/20 at 12:20 pm to RogerTempleton
If football players aren’t allowed on campus until August, there’s zero percent chance the season starts on time.
Posted on 4/8/20 at 12:34 pm to Lester Earl
Every team is in the same boat (no spring practice, game, nutritionists.....). Open up camps mid July for everybody and let the preps for the season begin. 18 - 22 year olds can get into game shape pretty quickly. Put protocols in place for the fans (to be determined) and players. I would even consider adding an extra rule or two, such as any player caught spitting on another player for any reason is ejected for the game and possibly the next or even more.
Posted on 4/8/20 at 1:06 pm to EZE Tiger Fan
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AD's weigh in: Coronavirus vs College Football (SI)
First, Frick Forde.
Second, our colleges and universities are run by individuals who don't want this issue to end any time soon. Period.
PS - Not talking about athletic offices.
No I think Universities are run by individuals who and Boards who have Legal Counsel. And in a society that has as much litigation as we do, Louisiana and the car insurance stuff with trial lawyers that goes on here being an example, is probably resulting in College Presidents and Boards not wanting 30,000-40,000 students on campus, living in dorms, going to gyms, sporting events, and this thing breaks out again and students get sick and die and there are tons of lawsuits.
Universities will open when the Governors of each state decide they will open and that will be a function of when the Federal Government gives the go ahead.
That is how I see it.
Posted on 4/8/20 at 1:31 pm to JKChesterton
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No I think Universities are run by individuals who and Boards who have Legal Counsel. And in a society that has as much litigation as we do, Louisiana and the car insurance stuff with trial lawyers that goes on here being an example, is probably resulting in College Presidents and Boards not wanting 30,000-40,000 students on campus, living in dorms, going to gyms, sporting events, and this thing breaks out again and students get sick and die and there are tons of lawsuits.
Then we will never get back to normal because this isn't going away anytime soon. People will die from COVID just like they die of the flu, car accidents, cancer, etc.
If we turn COVID into a legal/political issue for eternity, it will remain a problem.
There is a large group of Americans that are now invested in that happening for one reason or another, and it makes me furious.
I refuse to live in fear, and the fact that we have leaders who think this should drag on for five or six more months tells me all I need to know about those people.
This isn't the black plague. It isn't the killer they said it would be. It is time to adjust and get back to our lives until the next third world virus rears its ugly head.
Posted on 4/8/20 at 1:40 pm to Lester Earl
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Pat Forde
frick that mother fricker.
Posted on 4/8/20 at 2:13 pm to EZE Tiger Fan
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Then we will never get back to normal because this isn't going away anytime soon. People will die from COVID just like they die of the flu, car accidents, cancer, etc.
If we turn COVID into a legal/political issue for eternity, it will remain a problem.
There is a large group of Americans that are now invested in that happening for one reason or another, and it makes me furious.
I refuse to live in fear, and the fact that we have leaders who think this should drag on for five or six more months tells me all I need to know about those people.
This isn't the black plague. It isn't the killer they said it would be. It is time to adjust and get back to our lives until the next third world virus rears its ugly head.
With the Flu, using a corporate finance theory, that information is already Priced in the value of the Stock. We have a Vaccine for Flu, we know how to treat it when people get sick, and we have years of data that allows the US healthcare System (CDC) and all State Health agencies to have clear expectations about the number of patients from the Flu we have a year. The same thing with Cancer, we have years of data, how many people on average get Cancer, what types of cancer, some if caught early, we can treat. All of that information is priced again in the Stock, to use the economics example.
With COVID-19, we don't have a vaccine, and when those that get it, we don't know how to medicate it and treat it the most effectively, and we don't know what the potential year to year average COVID-19 cases will be as we just don't have the data. That is why the comparison to Flu and Cancer to me, again to, me, is not an Apple to Apple comparison.
So that is why we are where we are. A year from now, lets hope we have a vaccine and after 1 year of data, the Medical profession will know what the best treatments are for those who get it, the system will better know what the expectations are about likely COVID-19 cases, just like they know pretty accurately, how many people are get the flu each year, how many are diagnosed with cancer each year, etc, and the Health Care system will be better equipped to manage it, along with all the other stuff, they have to manage.
This post was edited on 4/8/20 at 2:14 pm
Posted on 4/8/20 at 3:01 pm to Lester Earl
Logistically-speaking, I always thought it'd be harder to play college FB than the NFL in the current environment.
Not sure how you can sell having a full season that starts in October, as that'd obliterate the (always BS) reasoning the NCAA has given to argue against the playoffs (or nowadays an extended playoff schedule). All of a sudden it's okay to play across semester breaks and such, the BS regarding degrading the student-athlete experience (which never seems to be an issue w/ the subdivisions, mind you). Having over 100 schools spread across the country (nearly all with on-campus stadiums) play is much harder than figuring out how 32 NFL teams with stand-alone stadiums can play.
Not having a full schedule, however, really hurts the smaller Div 1 programs who rely on those big non-conf paydays from the big programs. If they go conference only, I can see the NCAA coming up with some sort of financial relief program for smaller schools (think PPP).
It's a huge challenge, no question about it. I'm okay w/ LSU being reigning champ for two years in a row, personally.
Not sure how you can sell having a full season that starts in October, as that'd obliterate the (always BS) reasoning the NCAA has given to argue against the playoffs (or nowadays an extended playoff schedule). All of a sudden it's okay to play across semester breaks and such, the BS regarding degrading the student-athlete experience (which never seems to be an issue w/ the subdivisions, mind you). Having over 100 schools spread across the country (nearly all with on-campus stadiums) play is much harder than figuring out how 32 NFL teams with stand-alone stadiums can play.
Not having a full schedule, however, really hurts the smaller Div 1 programs who rely on those big non-conf paydays from the big programs. If they go conference only, I can see the NCAA coming up with some sort of financial relief program for smaller schools (think PPP).
It's a huge challenge, no question about it. I'm okay w/ LSU being reigning champ for two years in a row, personally.
Posted on 4/8/20 at 3:09 pm to ffhouston
I'd rather have football than be "reigning 2 year champs"
Posted on 4/8/20 at 7:14 pm to Lester Earl
If only conference games are played give us an 8 team playoff
Posted on 4/9/20 at 12:46 am to JKChesterton
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With the Flu, using a corporate finance theory, that information is already Priced in the value of the Stock. We have a Vaccine for Flu, we know how to treat it when people get sick, and we have years of data that allows the US healthcare System (CDC) and all State Health agencies to have clear expectations about the number of patients from the Flu we have a year. The same thing with Cancer, we have years of data, how many people on average get Cancer, what types of cancer, some if caught early, we can treat. All of that information is priced again in the Stock, to use the economics example.
With COVID-19, we don't have a vaccine, and when those that get it, we don't know how to medicate it and treat it the most effectively, and we don't know what the potential year to year average COVID-19 cases will be as we just don't have the data. That is why the comparison to Flu and Cancer to me, again to, me, is not an Apple to Apple comparison.
So that is why we are where we are. A year from now, lets hope we have a vaccine and after 1 year of data, the Medical profession will know what the best treatments are for those who get it, the system will better know what the expectations are about likely COVID-19 cases, just like they know pretty accurately, how many people are get the flu each year, how many are diagnosed with cancer each year, etc, and the Health Care system will be better equipped to manage it, along with all the other stuff, they have to manage.
You are one to kick the can down the road, and prolong us becoming immune to this crappy arse virus. We don't have shite for anything that can CURE the flu still. This virus has been over-hyped and now its being weaponized and political. What a shame. I say life back to normal and the strong survive. If we just try to live scared it will beat us eventually.
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