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re: The overwhelming demand on hospitals
Posted on 3/27/20 at 4:04 pm to the808bass
Posted on 3/27/20 at 4:04 pm to the808bass
The point is that we need a practical approach to opening up the economy. And, the "overwhelming demand on hospitals" that doesn't actually exist right needs to really be scrutinized. The example showing that even doctors are hurting because of the blind "shut everything down" policy shows that.
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Posted on 3/27/20 at 4:06 pm to LittleRockDoc
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When your business goes down 80 to 90% I would say that qualifies. Docs still have to run a business
I absolutely agree with you. The original comment was ambiguous. It almost made it sound like the "overwhelming demand" was causing it. It isn't. The fear of the "overwhelming demand" is what's causing it.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 4:08 pm to moneyg
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And, the "overwhelming demand on hospitals" that doesn't actually exist right needs to really be scrutinized.
Sure. It also points to what degree our healthcare utilization is driven by elective usage.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 4:09 pm to the808bass
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Sure. It also points to what degree our healthcare utilization is driven by elective usage.
Hmm . . .
Posted on 3/27/20 at 4:12 pm to VOR
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... and clinics is the true problem, more so tha the potential consequences to a single individual. That’s a big reason it would be irresponsible
to ignore this thing and try to go back to normal.
Welcome to a month ago
Posted on 3/27/20 at 4:17 pm to jchamil
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This thread was needed
Gotta make sure everybody’s hair stays on fire.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 4:22 pm to Powerman
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Perhaps my ire
Does anyone really talk like they are living in a Game of Thrones book? What a douche canoe.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 4:23 pm to the808bass
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Sure. It also points to what degree our healthcare utilization is driven by elective usage.
That is the real issue.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 4:24 pm to longwayfromLA
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You cannot imagine how much you are oversimplifying the steps required and obstacles to overcome in ramping up capacity at the same time every delivery system in the world is doing the same. Gowns, vents, masks, pulmonologist, nurses, techs, environmental services workers, physical beds, etc. - none of that grows on trees. We are trying...
You are correct that I do not have full awareness of all the issues and difficulties involved (thought I probably have a lot more knowledge and experience then your typical TD poster).
But nothing in my post was an indictment of the healthcare industry. I am not, for example, saying that they are making up problems. I am EXTREMELY sympathetic to those responding to a disaster. I like to look at what they are accomplishing under very difficult circumstances rather than point out the failures. Of course there will be failures, its an overwhelming situation!
This, BTW, is why I hate the media so much in these crisis situations. Bunch of fricking vultures feasting on the misery wrought by a disaster.
None the less, we cannot shut down society indefinitely. That simply isn't sustainable. Let's go to Easter and reevaluate. NY, NJ, LA, the west coast may have to continue with extreme measures. Other places might be able to pull back some. Sports and other large venues can continue to be shut down. Other small businesses should be able to open in most places.
We are not going to be able to stop this thing, we are just buying time. And the price for buying that time is steep.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 4:28 pm to moneyg
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And, it this because of the overwhelming demand that is preventing them from working, or the "potential for the overwhelming demand" that is doesn't yet exist but the OP says must drive our decisions?
All elective procedures were cancelled. All patients typically admitted for a one or two day observation were just sent home, and told to come back if their conditions worsen.
Hospital census were cut in half. They are now filling up with Corona patients. My girlfriend could not get a shift at either of her hospitals between last Thursday and yesterday. Yesterday she got double incentive pay, working with only corona patients, with no adequate protective gear.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 4:31 pm to Powerman
Your analogy...reinvented.
FIFY
The virus is real.
It is a concern for most.
It sure as hell seems as though it is being used as political capital.
Data has been misrepresented at times (to what degree we don't know, but when you are disingenuous, future info should be scrutinized imho).
The MSM seems to be using that data as a basis to induce fear and/or panic.
Common sense needs to rule the day. Imho...that has not been the case.
I jest about the hand job, but I won't judge you either.
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You're a passenger in a car going 50 MPH at dusk/night on the interstate towards the end of rush hour. The driver, distracted by the handjob you are dilligently providing, is not paying much attention to the road. In his act of ecstasy, you gaze down the road to allow him his moment. That is when you notice police lights up ahead. You assume it is a 100 car pile up.
The logic you are using for that assumption is based off reports that more severe accidents occur at dusk/night during rush hour. As opposed to letting the driver know so he can slow down accordingly and proceed with caution, you insist that they pull over and set the car on fire...since, you know, that is what is going to happen anyway
FIFY
The virus is real.
It is a concern for most.
It sure as hell seems as though it is being used as political capital.
Data has been misrepresented at times (to what degree we don't know, but when you are disingenuous, future info should be scrutinized imho).
The MSM seems to be using that data as a basis to induce fear and/or panic.
Common sense needs to rule the day. Imho...that has not been the case.
I jest about the hand job, but I won't judge you either.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 4:32 pm to VOR
This is your choir:
Shane4689.
That is telling imho.
Shane4689.
That is telling imho.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 4:35 pm to jimmy the leg
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This is your choir:
Shane4689.
That is telling imho.
These guys are the typical leftists.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 4:46 pm to VOR
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... and clinics is the true problem, more so tha the potential consequences to a single individual. That’s a big reason it would be irresponsible
to ignore this thing and try to go back to normal.
Hey moron, most clinics are closed right now if your state has issued a shelter in place. Once again, it is better to say nothing than prove without a shadow of a doubt that you are an idiot!
Posted on 3/27/20 at 4:47 pm to Powerman
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Powerman
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I have a very low tolerance for extreme stupidity
Lol
Posted on 3/27/20 at 4:48 pm to Powerman
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I have a very low tolerance for extreme stupidity
So serious question, how do you tolerate yourself then?
Posted on 3/27/20 at 4:51 pm to the808bass
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Sure. It also points to what degree our healthcare utilization is driven by elective usage.
Well, elective in the sense we use it doesn't mean, like cosmetic surgery. It just means not emergent nor urgent. Quite a bit of oncology, pretty much all of non-trauma ortho, most spine, a ton of neuro, almost all ophthalmology, even a good bit of cardiology are elective.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 4:55 pm to longwayfromLA
For the OP, this is all for political purposes.
Nobody on the left gives a shite about anything else at this point.
The bodies aren't piling up, so let's keep the economy closed until December.
GFY
Nobody on the left gives a shite about anything else at this point.
The bodies aren't piling up, so let's keep the economy closed until December.
GFY
Posted on 3/27/20 at 5:01 pm to David_DJS
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I read somewhere else on this board that hospital staff all over the country outside of a few hotspots are having their hours cut back because elective procedures have been postponed because of COVID-19
A friend of mine is a Dr. in Seattle and he’s been furloughed until further notice. His hospital is empty waiting for the “storm”.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 6:09 pm to VOR
quote:Your point of reference is New Orleans.
... and clinics is the true problem, more so tha the potential consequences to a single individual. That’s a big reason it would be irresponsible
to ignore this thing and try to go back to normal.
NO ONE except the Hoax Press Corps and its Hoaxed followers is claiming things will return to normal in NewOrleans until the NewOrleans CV19 threat is minimal to those in the workforce.
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