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re: White House Ukraine Expert Vindman Sought to “Correct” Transcript of Trump Call
Posted on 10/30/19 at 5:08 pm to texridder
Posted on 10/30/19 at 5:08 pm to texridder
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Did you read the whistleblower's complaint, or were too busy watching Hannity?
I did. No first hand knowledge of the call, double hearsay, and the WB worked with Biden and admitted to political bias against Trump
You were saying?
Posted on 10/30/19 at 5:14 pm to Bunyan
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I did. No first hand knowledge of the call, double hearsay, and the WB worked with Biden and admitted to political bias against Trump
Well if you knew he had said that, why did you say I was a liar, other than that is your favorite response, even if you don't know what you're talking about??
So what has the WB been wrong about?
Posted on 10/30/19 at 5:18 pm to texridder
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So what has the WB been wrong about?
That Trump was using the power of his office to solicit foreign government interference in the 2020 U.S. election.
Posted on 10/30/19 at 5:23 pm to davyjones
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That Trump was using the power of his office to solicit foreign government interference in the 2020 U.S. election.
What was the overriding purpose of Trump's phone call to Zelensky?
Posted on 10/30/19 at 5:27 pm to texridder
To seek a little more than lip service as to the obligation to root out persistent corruption in Ukraine prior to the U.S. handing over significant aid and assistance. Same as we've insisted upon from numerous countries over the years.
Posted on 10/30/19 at 5:29 pm to texridder
Two things -
1. When you cannot trust The Mob (also known as the alphabet agencies) and you want to learn the truth, you try to avoid doing business with and through them. Does "They can get back at you six ways from Sunday." mean anything to you?
2. Bear in mind that the U.S. ambassador to Ukraine, Marie Yovanovitch was "fired" after she was found to be obstructing investigations into corruption, including repeatedly denying Ukrainian officials visas to enter the United States. The Ukranian officials wanted to hand over to Trump administration officials, evidence of the Obama administration's misconduct. It would therefore appear logical that the Ukranians would seek alternate paths to transmit their message.
As reported by ABC News, (not that I trust any of the MSM),
"Trump is accused of pressuring Zelenskiy during a phone call on July 25, about a week after the White House decided to withhold the aid.
Months before that call but some time after their first call, Zelenskiy's office reached out to U.S. Special Envoy for Ukraine Kurt Volker about getting in touch with Giuliani. Volker called the former New York City mayor to do so, Volker has confirmed, and Giuliani later met Zelenskiy staffer Andriy Yermak in Madrid in May.
In an interview with Fox News Tuesday, Giuliani said the department directed him to act, later telling other outlets that he briefed Volker and U.S. ambassador to the European Union Gordon Sondland after his meetings.
Pompeo said he had not yet read the entire whistleblower complaint, but defended what he'd "seen so far."
"To the best of my knowledge, so from what I've seen so far, each of the actions that were undertaken by State Department officials was entirely appropriate and consistent with the objective that we've had," he said, which is "to tighten our relationship [and] to help end corruption in Ukraine."
So we have the corrupt former Obama administration holdovers trying to protect their interests against all investigations and the President is to go ahead and give them a pass? I think not. He too has to seek alternate paths to root out the corruption. Ours is a President of and for the people, not a President of the swamp.
1. When you cannot trust The Mob (also known as the alphabet agencies) and you want to learn the truth, you try to avoid doing business with and through them. Does "They can get back at you six ways from Sunday." mean anything to you?
2. Bear in mind that the U.S. ambassador to Ukraine, Marie Yovanovitch was "fired" after she was found to be obstructing investigations into corruption, including repeatedly denying Ukrainian officials visas to enter the United States. The Ukranian officials wanted to hand over to Trump administration officials, evidence of the Obama administration's misconduct. It would therefore appear logical that the Ukranians would seek alternate paths to transmit their message.
As reported by ABC News, (not that I trust any of the MSM),
"Trump is accused of pressuring Zelenskiy during a phone call on July 25, about a week after the White House decided to withhold the aid.
Months before that call but some time after their first call, Zelenskiy's office reached out to U.S. Special Envoy for Ukraine Kurt Volker about getting in touch with Giuliani. Volker called the former New York City mayor to do so, Volker has confirmed, and Giuliani later met Zelenskiy staffer Andriy Yermak in Madrid in May.
In an interview with Fox News Tuesday, Giuliani said the department directed him to act, later telling other outlets that he briefed Volker and U.S. ambassador to the European Union Gordon Sondland after his meetings.
Pompeo said he had not yet read the entire whistleblower complaint, but defended what he'd "seen so far."
"To the best of my knowledge, so from what I've seen so far, each of the actions that were undertaken by State Department officials was entirely appropriate and consistent with the objective that we've had," he said, which is "to tighten our relationship [and] to help end corruption in Ukraine."
So we have the corrupt former Obama administration holdovers trying to protect their interests against all investigations and the President is to go ahead and give them a pass? I think not. He too has to seek alternate paths to root out the corruption. Ours is a President of and for the people, not a President of the swamp.
Posted on 10/30/19 at 5:41 pm to texridder
You want this so badly. I will take pleasure in your disappointment.
Posted on 10/30/19 at 7:11 pm to Janky
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You want this so badly. I will take pleasure in your disappointment.
Likewise, I'm sure.
Posted on 10/30/19 at 7:14 pm to davyjones
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To seek a little more than lip service as to the obligation to root out persistent corruption in Ukraine prior to the U.S. handing over significant aid and assistance. Same as we've insisted upon from numerous countries over the years.
Well, that's one way of looking at it.
Sure was a lot of talk about Biden if the object was just everyday corruption.
Posted on 10/30/19 at 7:20 pm to SSpaniel
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Where's the fun in that? Some people deserve to have as much fun made of them as possible. Texridder is one of those.
So what have you been waiting for?
Posted on 10/30/19 at 7:22 pm to Bunyan
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I did. No first hand knowledge of the call, double hearsay, and the WB worked with Biden and admitted to political bias against Trump. You were saying?
So what was he wrong about?
Posted on 10/30/19 at 7:23 pm to texridder
I don't think it's justifiable to walk away from overtly reasonable suspicion of high level corruption simply due to a person's identity or status. That is what's been preached so often in the case of Trump, regardless of its political effect on Trump.
Posted on 10/30/19 at 7:27 pm to texridder
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No first hand knowledge of the call, double hearsay, and the WB worked with Biden and admitted to political bias
4 counts.
Posted on 10/30/19 at 7:30 pm to ImaObserver
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So we have the corrupt former Obama administration holdovers trying to protect their interests against all investigations and the President is to go ahead and give them a pass? I think not. He too has to seek alternate paths to root out the corruption. Ours is a President of and for the people, not a President of the swamp.
Why didn't Trump just have a US investigation opened up into the conduct of Biden?
Why backdoor it?
Posted on 10/30/19 at 7:39 pm to bmy
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Why didn't Trump just have a US investigation opened up into the conduct of Biden?
Why backdoor it?
Backdooring it would be going out of chronological order and opening an investigation into the second or subsequent juncture within the matter, thus speculating and assuming things not yet determined at the point of origin. It was necessarily a matter originating within the territory of Ukraine, thus it only makes sense to allow Ukraine to originate an investigation.
Posted on 10/30/19 at 7:48 pm to bmy
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Why didn't Trump just have a US investigation opened up into the conduct of Biden?
Why backdoor it?
Please re-read point #1.
Posted on 10/30/19 at 7:48 pm to davyjones
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It was necessarily a matter originating within the territory of Ukraine, thus it only makes sense to allow Ukraine to originate an investigation.
You think it's more appropriate for Ukraine to investigate the conduct of an American Vice President during official US business?
That is truly bizarre
Posted on 10/30/19 at 7:50 pm to ImaObserver
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Please re-read point #1.
He trusts them to investigate the origins of Mueller but not this?
Doesn't add up.
Posted on 10/30/19 at 7:58 pm to bmy
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You think it's more appropriate for Ukraine to investigate the conduct of an American Vice President during official US business?
While in Ukraine, yes, for sure. During official business....an alleged crime occurring IN Ukraine, of course.
If Biden was accused of committing a homicide during a session of official business while in Ukraine....would the investigation occur in Ukraine or back home?
It's not just a potential violation of U.S. law that's on the table....it's first an act that would also be a violation of Ukrainian law. Then violation of U.S. law STEMMING from the original violation of Ukrainian law....while on Ukrainian soil. The violation of their law over there would start it all off.
This post was edited on 10/30/19 at 8:01 pm
Posted on 10/30/19 at 8:02 pm to davyjones
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While in Ukraine, yes, for sure. During official business....an alleged crime occurring IN Ukraine, of course.
If Biden was accused of committing a homicide during a session of official business while in Ukraine....would the investigation occur in Ukraine or back home?
It's not just a potential violation of U.S. law that's on the table....it's first an act that would also be a violation of Ukrainian law. Then violation of U.S. law STEMMING from the original violation of Ukrainian law....while on Ukrainian soil. The violation of their law over there would start it all off.
Like I said -- bizarre. So what exactly is your problem with spygate?
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