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re: The “someone has to be gay” rule hits another show: (Spoilers?)
Posted on 8/18/19 at 10:32 pm to Green Chili Tiger
Posted on 8/18/19 at 10:32 pm to Green Chili Tiger
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This isn't an actual thing
Bless your heart
Posted on 8/18/19 at 11:15 pm to Kafka
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This isn't an actual thing
bullshite
There is also a "someone has to be black" rule -- an NBC memo saying this was made public a few
There was a podcast with Joe Rogan and Jim Gaffigan where they talk about writers trying to sell scripts or shows to TV studios...
And they'll be like, this is about an Irish Family in Ireland in 1850 and the first question out of the studio execs mouths is..."but where's the diversity?"
"It's a show about 1850's Ireland."
"Yeah but where's the diversity in this script?"
The point was in the podcast, that Hollywood wants it in the show, no matter the time period, no matter the place.
He said, it's the first thing they ask...as if that's all they care about. That's the entrance exam...your script is going nowhere unless it shows all the colors of the rainbow.
And he was talking about NBC, ABC, CBS...BBC tends not to give a frick with their love of period pieces.
Posted on 8/18/19 at 11:46 pm to AU66
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the total of LGBQ in the US population is around 4%, a number so low that the concept should almost never be addressed,
They say 4.5% which is still 15 million people. At what point is a demographic significant enough to be addressed?
This post was edited on 8/18/19 at 11:55 pm
Posted on 8/18/19 at 11:58 pm to Shiftyplus1
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And there are lesbians in the world.
Yeah, according to TV, about 30% of all women are lesbians. Another 60% are mudsharks.
Posted on 8/19/19 at 12:01 am to AU66
quote:I really doubt it's that much, and the trans population is less than 1%. Way less.
the total of LGBQ in the US population is around 4%,
Posted on 8/19/19 at 12:14 am to bgator85
Many actors and writers are queers -- far out of proportion to their numbers in the general pop.
Blacks are 13% of the gen pop and we can't escape them in movies and TV. Yet per Wiki Hispanics are 18% but are almost invisible in Hollywood -- unless it's illegal alien propaganda.
Blacks are 13% of the gen pop and we can't escape them in movies and TV. Yet per Wiki Hispanics are 18% but are almost invisible in Hollywood -- unless it's illegal alien propaganda.
Posted on 8/19/19 at 12:18 am to Kafka
There are obviously shows and movies where this type of thing is a legit gripe
I don’t think Mindhunter is in that category. At all.
I don’t think Mindhunter is in that category. At all.
Posted on 8/19/19 at 12:57 am to Scoop
As a gay man even I'm finding it beyond annoying. And God forbid Mr. we gotta go further gay stereotype Ryan Murphy is involved in any damn thing..he's gonna put in gay sex every chance he gets...it's like.. ENOUGH already douche bag
Posted on 8/19/19 at 12:59 am to bgator85
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They say 4.5% which is still 15 million people. At what point is a demographic significant enough to be addressed?
They should be in around 4.5% of television and movies.
Posted on 8/19/19 at 2:31 am to AU66
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They should be in around 4.5% of television and movies.
By that logic, there are way to many murderers portrayed on tv and in movies. Plus that’s not how the 4.5% works. It would be 4.5% of all characters, not 4.5% of movies/tv
I understand what you’re trying to say, but wanting to count and crunch numbers to make sure all things are things are portrayed relatively equal to real life is absurd
This post was edited on 8/19/19 at 2:40 am
Posted on 8/19/19 at 3:03 am to jg8623
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By that logic, there are way to many murderers portrayed on tv and in movies. Plus that’s not how the 4.5% works. It would be 4.5% of all characters, not 4.5% of movies/tv
Even then it's too limiting. It's not really about how much of the population is gay, it's more about how much of the population is affected by LGBT people. Let's take 4.5% and look at that a little bit.... Another poster said that's 15 million (I'm accepting his math without checking), each of those 15 million has a mother and a father so that's an extra 30 million people, 4 grandparents is another 60 million. That's a grand total of 105 million people who are either gay or know someone who is. That's roughly 1/3 the population of America. Granted, not everyone has a full set of parents and grandparents, but I didn't include brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, nieces, nephews, cousins, friends or coworkers so I figure that's a good number for a rough estimate. My point really is that there are more people affected by homosexuality than most people are admitting when they throw out the argument about the "only" 4.5%.
This post was edited on 8/19/19 at 3:08 am
Posted on 8/19/19 at 3:07 am to Merck
I'd also go out on a limb and guess that the percentage is higher in the entertainment industry, and higher in urban areas than in the population as a whole.
Posted on 8/19/19 at 4:08 am to Merck
LINK
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there is a website that actually lays out if a movie is woke or not, and rates on how woke it is.
The name of the site is Mediaversity Reviews, and it grades films based on LGBTQ representation, racial representation, gender representation, and religious (which actually translates into Islamic representation).
The curve they grade the films on is A+ through F, and basically only woke films get good grades. The “How We Grade” page breaks it all down, with A+ meaning the movie is “Woke AF” while F means that they don’t think that the movie should have been greenlit.
As pointed out by Jeremy from Geeks and Gamers, they hate films that celebrate masculinity, heterosexuality, and good storytelling if it doesn’t promote the core tenets of Left-wing agitprop.
Yes, even films like Shaft ended up with an ‘F’ rating because even though the cast is majority black, it contained the promotion of guns, promotion of women as sex objects, and it basically ridiculed today’s soy boy culture.
In the review they write…quote:You would think that their harsh criticisms of the plot and character development would have centered around a more implausible facet: a black man reuniting with his son. Yet for some reason that seemed to duly escape the reviewer’s attention.
The simple storyline, of reuniting father with son for hijinks and growing pains, suffers under the weight of a terrible script filled with sexism, racism, Islamophobia, and homophobia. Samuel L. Jackson plays a parody of himself, ratcheting up the amount of expletives used by the minute. […]
“At every turn, the script elevates the men’s quest to achieve peak masculinity in lieu of anything that could be construed as remotely “feminine”. Shaft repeatedly decries JJ’s “flaws” as the result of “his momma’s shite.” From JJ’s healthy diet, respect toward women, avoidance of firearms, and even to the way he dresses, Shaft derides the way a female authority figure has made his son ‘effeminate’.
However, films like the very long and very boring Captain Marvel managed a B+ for its diversity and female empowerment.
Films like Avengers: Endgame and Once Upon A Time In Hollywood both ended up with a C-.
Posted on 8/19/19 at 6:55 am to Green Chili Tiger
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This isn't an actual thing
Are you sure it isn't a thing? I'm not saying the OP isn't being reactionary about this particular incident, but it sure looks like the rule and not the exception - either for new IP or any franchise that sticks around long enough.
I guess my problem is that the inclusion of it is typically just for shock value/virtue signaling - doesn't help with character development or advance the plot. Just sort of gay to say they have a gay character.
Posted on 8/19/19 at 7:11 am to Scoop
You know there are gay people in real life, right?
Posted on 8/19/19 at 7:18 am to Green Chili Tiger
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This isn't an actual thing
I can’t think of a single show made in the last few years that doesn’t have a gay person. Stranger things did the same thing this last season. Every show also must have at least a token black and usually a black/white couple.
Posted on 8/19/19 at 7:20 am to sicboy
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You know there are gay people in real life, right?
You know it isn't a 1 in 3 or 1 in 4 incidence, though, right?
Maybe 1 in 14, 1 in 15.
And, again, typically the character being gay is about as significant as other superficial characteristic (being tall, hair color, etc.) Kind of like other intersectionalist inclusions, they drape it on characters like costumes.
It would be another analysis if it was significant to character development or to advance the plot. Otherwise, left-handedness is more prevalent in society than being gay.
Posted on 8/19/19 at 7:21 am to Scoop
Carr was a lesbian in season 1 and I didn't find it forced in either season. I am glad though that she got to do some interviews in prison. I asked for it and got it. She got to see that although Holden can be a know-it-all prick at times he was right about her list of questions.
Posted on 8/19/19 at 7:29 am to Kafka
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they hate films that celebrate masculinity, heterosexuality, and good storytelling
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Yes, even films like Shaft ended up with an ‘F’
Is Shaft your example of good storytelling?
And there's a website for everything. How is this relevant?
This post was edited on 8/19/19 at 7:31 am
Posted on 8/19/19 at 7:45 am to Ace Midnight
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And, again, typically the character being gay is about as significant as other superficial characteristic (being tall, hair color, etc.) Kind of like other intersectionalist inclusions, they drape it on characters like costumes.
So you mean just like in real life where someone you know tangentially who is gay isn't important to the rest of your world?
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