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re: The Boys on Amazon Prime - Out now
Posted on 7/28/19 at 12:37 pm to Pandy Fackler
Posted on 7/28/19 at 12:37 pm to Pandy Fackler
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She wasn't assaulted or in any way forced to do jack shite. In fact, she could've vaporized the guy if she wanted to. She was given a choice. Blow me or leave the club. She blew him.
Posted on 7/28/19 at 12:38 pm to WMTigerFAN
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Homelander is Sheriff Lucas from Cinemax's Banshee. I knew I had seen that actor before, just couldn't place him. He
I haven't seen banshee. Homelander though is the best character on the show.
Posted on 7/28/19 at 12:41 pm to Pandy Fackler
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Yeah i did think it through. The outcome of his coercion isn't grounded in reality. Had it been, she would've ruined him professionally and gotten filthy rich in the process. That's "IRL".
What kind of alternate reality you live in, bruv.
Posted on 7/28/19 at 12:44 pm to Athos
He’s missing the initial point of the show
Posted on 7/28/19 at 12:47 pm to Pandy Fackler
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I work in a corporate setting and any employer
And you don't have an understanding of the stats. Lol
Posted on 7/28/19 at 12:55 pm to 1BamaRTR
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He’s missing the initial point of the show
I completely get the point of the show.
She wasn't raped and she wasn't sexually assaulted. Her moral character was tested and she failed.
Her moral character failed the same way queen Maeve's moral character failed and continues to fail.
I'm about 4 episodes in. Maybe it changes but right now, they're all sell outs, including blondie. If all she has to do is give one lousy blowjob then she probably got off easy.
This post was edited on 7/28/19 at 12:58 pm
Posted on 7/28/19 at 1:01 pm to Pandy Fackler
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I completely get the point of the show.
You don’t. If you did then you would understand that going to HR isn’t going to do shite. Again this is the company that is almost effortlessly covering up all of kinds of stuff their heroes do including murder. And that the public doesn’t look too much into it either.
Posted on 7/28/19 at 1:05 pm to THRILLHO
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***** LATE SEASON SPOILERS******
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As of now, does Homelander even have a beef with Butcher?
I mean, he's insane, he's cruel and sadistic, etc... but he seems in a weird way to actually be 'attempting' to be the hero.
I mean, when he discovered that Butcher was coming after him, he didn't just go snuff Billy, he did the investigating and figured out why. And what he discovered was that both Butcher and he were played. And he respected that Butcher seemingly had a legitimate gripe... so he went out of his way to "save" him. Both literally, and by showing him what he did afterwards.
He's doing it to torture Butcher. Thus the "she came three times", "you're my son", and "we're a family" comments in the last two scenes. He's just dangling what Butcher wants in front of him, not helping him in any way.
******//SPOILERS****
********************MORE SPOILER DISCUSSION****************
I think a core part of his personality is that he feels the need for approval from most others (through their belief that he's better than they are) and fear from those he deems as an enemy. He probably sees both as respect. Being Homelander he's always had those two things from non-supes (and most other supes) until Billy. He's genuinely impressed that Billy isn't afraid of him and his actions mean Billy doesn't approve of him so now he's in a position that's probably quite alien to him, he's now like the hot chick who falls for the guy that treats her like shite.
His taking Billy to where Bonnie and her son live is probably a lot of an attempt to win over some approval ("See? I'm not a bad guy, I found your missing wife, she's alive and well and I saved you so you could see it for yourself." Also, "I'm such a good guy that once I found out I had a child I came to him to help raise him, and I brought you to prove to you how good of a guy I am.")
***************/END SPOILER ALERT, SAFE SPACE AHEAD!!!!**************
Posted on 7/28/19 at 1:10 pm to 1BamaRTR
To bring things into context, in the comics Vought hasn’t been above covering up all kinds of shite involving their heroes because the high end ones like The Seven are worth so much.
They do a genocide of one particular large earning group at one point when it becomes clear that those heroes are a massive liability.
Either disgracing Starlight or simply having her killed and then making up shite like her being killed by “time terrorists” isn’t beneath them. (“Time Terrorists” got the blame for one supe accidentally killed by Hughie early in the book)
So, no, Vought HR wasn’t going to save her from The Deep.
They do a genocide of one particular large earning group at one point when it becomes clear that those heroes are a massive liability.
Either disgracing Starlight or simply having her killed and then making up shite like her being killed by “time terrorists” isn’t beneath them. (“Time Terrorists” got the blame for one supe accidentally killed by Hughie early in the book)
So, no, Vought HR wasn’t going to save her from The Deep.
Posted on 7/28/19 at 1:31 pm to Pandy Fackler
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Look i get it. The definition of rape is changing. Workplace coercion, which is immoral and illegal has now become rape. As each year passes, it seems the definition becomes broader and broader.
Some people seem ok now with defining rape (as portrayed in this episode) as being forced into a career choice. A vile choice? Yes. A life or limb threatening choice toward the victim or another person? No.
You are wrong, legal definition of rape has included coercion in it for a long time. It isn’t just involuntary sex by threat of physical harm.
This post was edited on 7/28/19 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 7/28/19 at 3:48 pm to GeauxLSUGeaux
Agreed, from the first death I knew I was going to enjoy this series.
The friggin poor dolphin escape scene slayed me... Haha.. and then that was directly after was the spice girl pep talk..
I wish they showed a little more of lesser known supes doing stuff. In one episode they said there were over 200 around the US.
The friggin poor dolphin escape scene slayed me... Haha.. and then that was directly after was the spice girl pep talk..
I wish they showed a little more of lesser known supes doing stuff. In one episode they said there were over 200 around the US.
Posted on 7/28/19 at 4:11 pm to vilma4prez
If they do Herogasm in season 2, more will show up.
Herogasm is when the superhuman community goes off to have an orgy on a private island while they are ostensibly doing one of those gigantic crossovers like Infinity Gauntlet or Civil War.
Herogasm is when the superhuman community goes off to have an orgy on a private island while they are ostensibly doing one of those gigantic crossovers like Infinity Gauntlet or Civil War.
Posted on 7/28/19 at 8:32 pm to Pandy Fackler
I was wondering where I had seen him from before. Wow! Banshee was badass too and one of my favorite shows of all time. This guy picks nothing but winning scripts.
Posted on 7/28/19 at 9:49 pm to UnluckyTiger
Without attacking anyone-
why are we spending multiple pages discussing whether there's rape in this show?
I mean, there's so much more to enjoy and discuss about it, besides "did The Deep actually rape Starlight, was it just sexual assault, or was it nothing at all".
I'm intrigued by Homelander's final scenes with Butcher. My take is that he didn't rape Becca, and not sure there was a lot of coercion. I think she got starry eyed, and Homelander's account of it is pretty dead-on.
She split over the guilt of what she'd done, and then had to stay gone due to the nature of the pregnancy/child (needed Vought's resources to manage the kid).
Don't think Homelander is actively the "evil mastermind", I think he's mostly just a sociopath who doesn't think others are equal to him... this comes both from his being raised in a lab, and from his correct awareness that he is, indeed, "superior" to everyone else. Physically, he just is.
So A) he doesn't know how to interact, and thus says shite like he did to Stillwell (you're leaking, a woman your age, etc) and Butcher (your wife came 3 times, wow she was a tiger in bed). I don't think he was being mean, he literally doesn't know any better.
And B) he has a growing disdain for anyone else in power, because they don't have the power he has.
Re his actions- I'd say he actually does view himself as the necessary savior of America, and he's playing the part as he sees it. He's doing the PR work to keep the populace happy, and he's doing things behind the scenes to integrate himself into the highest levels of government. He's not blown up the White House (yet), he's doing this via media manipulation so that it's a popular takeover.
Given this angle, I don't see him as viewing Butcher as an enemy right now. He's "corrected" Butcher's mistaken belief that HE did anything sinister to Becca- that was Stillwell and Vought. He just fricked her, and of course what woman wouldn't want to frick Homelander? And btw Butcher, quite a wife you have, she is a maniac in bed, you lucky devil. In his mind he's complimenting Billy.
I could see him (Homelander) as actually expecting Butcher to thank him, for bringing the truth to light, finding his wife, and for taking out those involved.
And to me, that's what makes Homelander truly scary. Not that he's malicious, but that he sees himself as beyond the rules. He doesn't care about killing a person, any more than a gardener cares about weeding.
why are we spending multiple pages discussing whether there's rape in this show?
I mean, there's so much more to enjoy and discuss about it, besides "did The Deep actually rape Starlight, was it just sexual assault, or was it nothing at all".
I'm intrigued by Homelander's final scenes with Butcher. My take is that he didn't rape Becca, and not sure there was a lot of coercion. I think she got starry eyed, and Homelander's account of it is pretty dead-on.
She split over the guilt of what she'd done, and then had to stay gone due to the nature of the pregnancy/child (needed Vought's resources to manage the kid).
Don't think Homelander is actively the "evil mastermind", I think he's mostly just a sociopath who doesn't think others are equal to him... this comes both from his being raised in a lab, and from his correct awareness that he is, indeed, "superior" to everyone else. Physically, he just is.
So A) he doesn't know how to interact, and thus says shite like he did to Stillwell (you're leaking, a woman your age, etc) and Butcher (your wife came 3 times, wow she was a tiger in bed). I don't think he was being mean, he literally doesn't know any better.
And B) he has a growing disdain for anyone else in power, because they don't have the power he has.
Re his actions- I'd say he actually does view himself as the necessary savior of America, and he's playing the part as he sees it. He's doing the PR work to keep the populace happy, and he's doing things behind the scenes to integrate himself into the highest levels of government. He's not blown up the White House (yet), he's doing this via media manipulation so that it's a popular takeover.
Given this angle, I don't see him as viewing Butcher as an enemy right now. He's "corrected" Butcher's mistaken belief that HE did anything sinister to Becca- that was Stillwell and Vought. He just fricked her, and of course what woman wouldn't want to frick Homelander? And btw Butcher, quite a wife you have, she is a maniac in bed, you lucky devil. In his mind he's complimenting Billy.
I could see him (Homelander) as actually expecting Butcher to thank him, for bringing the truth to light, finding his wife, and for taking out those involved.
And to me, that's what makes Homelander truly scary. Not that he's malicious, but that he sees himself as beyond the rules. He doesn't care about killing a person, any more than a gardener cares about weeding.
Posted on 7/28/19 at 10:17 pm to Scoob
***Probably the last time I give spoiler warnings since it's getting pretty open now, maybe OP can update title to "Spoilers after x page"****
Maybe. He has a bit of a childish mind, but I think that he knows the difference between right and wrong. Your boy Rawls from the Wire said that he fricked up raising him, but I think that he proved a simple indifference to good/bad during the plane rescue. He could have easily saved everyone, but when he got to the cockpit, he used his eyeball lasers to frick up the piloting system when he could have easily killed the terrorist by hand. He knew exactly what he was doing, he just didn't care.
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why are we spending multiple pages discussing whether there's rape in this show?
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I don't think he was being mean, he literally doesn't know any better.
Maybe. He has a bit of a childish mind, but I think that he knows the difference between right and wrong. Your boy Rawls from the Wire said that he fricked up raising him, but I think that he proved a simple indifference to good/bad during the plane rescue. He could have easily saved everyone, but when he got to the cockpit, he used his eyeball lasers to frick up the piloting system when he could have easily killed the terrorist by hand. He knew exactly what he was doing, he just didn't care.
Posted on 7/28/19 at 10:32 pm to Big_Slim
I'm watching now, great first episode so far.
Posted on 7/28/19 at 10:33 pm to Big_Slim
Jesus, someone get the heros a HR department.
Posted on 7/28/19 at 10:59 pm to THRILLHO
quote:oh, yeah...
***Probably the last time I give spoiler warnings since it's getting pretty open now, maybe OP can update title to "Spoilers after x page"****
Spoilers****
quote:Correct me if I'm wrong, I might have the timeline out of order here.
but I think that he proved a simple indifference to good/bad during the plane rescue. He could have easily saved everyone, but when he got to the cockpit, he used his eyeball lasers to frick up the piloting system when he could have easily killed the terrorist by hand. He knew exactly what he was doing, he just didn't care.
But- he kills the tower shooter (Maeve's collar) by shoving his fist through the guy's chest, and gets disgusted about having the blood on his glove. "God damn it" and wiping it off.
After that, it's all lasers, until he steps on that terrorist's head, right? And there's a difference between your boot and your hand.
Maybe he doesn't want to get his hands dirty... literally. Squeamish.
BTW, how the frick do you sweep the whole cockpit panel with laser vision? I mean, aren't you just staring right at your target? That should be extremely precise, at least in point of impact.
In other spoiler words, what's the plan with A-Train now? if Starlight saves him, does he swap sides? She's up shite creek if he doesn't, as Homelander already has his doubts about her.
Posted on 7/28/19 at 11:01 pm to THRILLHO
Man.. there is a ton of rape talk on here.. buuuutttt... I think people are missing an interesting thought.
To the folks on here saying "The Deep used his leverage to force a girl into oral sex due to a position of power"
Does that not also include Elizabeth Shue's character using her position to manipulate Homeland?
I'm on the side of saying it's sexual manipulation closely falling into a rape category. But I do find it funny how it's not listed as "rape" in the show when it comes to a Male.
Carry on with the politics, but I love the series. Great show.
I really don't give a rat's arse on the specific
To the folks on here saying "The Deep used his leverage to force a girl into oral sex due to a position of power"
Does that not also include Elizabeth Shue's character using her position to manipulate Homeland?
I'm on the side of saying it's sexual manipulation closely falling into a rape category. But I do find it funny how it's not listed as "rape" in the show when it comes to a Male.
Carry on with the politics, but I love the series. Great show.
I really don't give a rat's arse on the specific
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