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re: Pitching staff injuries
Posted on 3/20/19 at 11:39 am to Tony Camaro
Posted on 3/20/19 at 11:39 am to Tony Camaro
We have an obscenely high rate of arm injuries that correlate directly to coaching. We also have an incredible amount of morons that couldn't pick a baseball out of a line up that think it has nothing to do with Dunn.
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Posted on 3/20/19 at 11:41 am to RoaringTiger33
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We have an obscenely high rate of arm injuries that correlate directly to coaching.
Posted on 3/20/19 at 11:41 am to BigEdLSU
quote:Now I see what your agenda is.
I feel like you post to protect lsu reputation.
You post on here to primarily sully LSU's "reputation." Why else would you even care if someone wanted to protect LSU's reputation?
What happened? Did you not have the grades or test scores to get admitted into LSU?
Is that why you posted that you hate LSU fans? For you it's just a big case of penis envy??
This post was edited on 3/20/19 at 11:44 am
Posted on 3/20/19 at 11:44 am to RoaringTiger33
quote:Please explain your reasoning. Thanks.
arm injuries that correlate directly to coaching
Posted on 3/20/19 at 11:51 am to LSURussian
Ummm weird flex but ok. My point is clear. Lsu is doing something to overwork our guys. Whether it be practice, scrimmage, extra league... any non homer can see the pattern period.
Posted on 3/20/19 at 11:55 am to sta4ever
Get Tommy John surgery in 8th grade and Brayden,Caden, Hunter and The rest will be fine for college.
Posted on 3/20/19 at 11:56 am to BigEdLSU
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Lsu is doing something to overwork our guys. Whether it be practice, scrimmage, extra league... any non homer can see the pattern period.
You refuse to read and understand the bigger picture
Posted on 3/20/19 at 11:56 am to Tony Camaro
Part of the game.
Posted on 3/20/19 at 11:56 am to RoaringTiger33
quote:oh lord
We have an obscenely high rate of arm injuries that correlate directly to coaching. We also have an incredible amount of morons that couldn't pick a baseball out of a line up that think it has nothing to do with Dunn.
Posted on 3/20/19 at 11:57 am to BigEdLSU
quote:No, LSU isn’t.
Lsu is doing something to overwork our guys.
Posted on 3/20/19 at 11:57 am to deaux
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oh lord
fricking 8 pages worth of people explaining this shite and you still have people who either refuse to read or are too stupid to understand.
Posted on 3/20/19 at 12:01 pm to BigEdLSU
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Lsu is doing something to overwork our guys. Whether it be practice, scrimmage, extra league... any non homer can see the pattern period.
unless you can provide any data to show that LSU pitchers suffer arm injuries at a higher rate than other programs, you really need to stfu. This isn't about being a homer or a non-homer, it's about you stating a claim without anything to back it up. Unless you can provide any point of comparison, you saying there is a pattern with LSU and/or Dunn/Mainieri is you talking out of your arse.
Posted on 3/20/19 at 12:02 pm to lsufball19
I don't follow other collegiate programs very closely. Is there any data to suggest that LSU suffers arm injuries at the same rate as everyone else?
Serious question
Serious question
Posted on 3/20/19 at 12:12 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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I don't follow other collegiate programs very closely. Is there any data to suggest that LSU suffers arm injuries at the same rate as everyone else?
No. I do know Miss State had damn near half their pitchers out for the year with arm injuries in 2017.
Here are a couple articles that discuss the topic
LINK
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But the focus has shifted to teenagers. According to a survey by the American Journal of Sports Medicine, 15- to 19-year-old pitchers accounted for almost 60 percent of Tommy John surgeries. That’s decade-old data; the percentage is likely much higher now.
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College coaches, once branded as culprits, are now recruiting kids who have already been harmed. To them, the primary problem isn’t overuse at age 21 or 26. It’s overuse at 11 or 16.
“When a professional pitcher is done for the year, he puts the ball down,” Cal State Fullerton coach Rick Vanderhook said. “He picks up the golf clubs for about two months.
“As they’re young, they don’t have that ability to do (that). And that’s part of why kids come in hurt now more often than they used to. We have one coming in next year that had Tommy John before he came into high school.”
College coaches are doing their best. The elite college programs are more sophisticated in their training than five to 10 years ago, Florida State pitching coach Mike Bell said. Alan Dunn, LSU pitching coach, said the emphasis has shifted from rehab to “prehab.”
When a pitcher arrives on campus, LSU puts him through a battery of tests and identifies mechanical and muscular deficiencies. If one guy has weak decelerators (the back of his shoulder), LSU tailors throwing and weight-lifting programs to help. It’s not one-size-fits-all like it used to be.
LINK /
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That is the situation MSU (12-6) is in. The Bulldogs entered this season with only Konnor Pilkington set as an obvious starter along with question marks for middle relief roles, and things haven’t been any easier since.
Why? Ulnar collateral ligament reconstruction known as Tommy John surgery.
Pitchers Jared Padgett, Ethan Small and Keegan James underwent Tommy John surgery over the summer. That was after MSU announced last April that pitcher Noah Hughes needed the surgery. Blake Smith, who would likely be the team’s closer, has been out since Feb. 21, and while the school has yet to announce it, sources said Smith needed the surgery as well. Lefty middle reliever Kale Breaux is the latest MSU pitcher to undergo the surgery, and got it done last week after appearing in only one game this season.
Reliever Parker Ford rejoined the bullpen after having Tommy John surgery in November 2015. He has made two appearances and has allowed three runs and three hits without recording an out.
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Dr. Larry Field of Mississippi Sports Medicine and Orthopeadic Center isn’t surprised by MSU’s problem, however, because of the sheer rise in surgeries recently. During the 2000s, an average of 16 major league pitchers underwent the procedure each year, yet there were then a record 36 such operations performed in 2012, according to data from Baseball-Reference.com.
“They are epidemic in our country now, and for one program to have five athletes that require Tommy John reconstruction in one year is really, honestly, not out of the realm of normal,” Field said. “I would argue it’s even typical of big programs like Mississippi State. It’s very common and can be very disruptive to a program.”
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“I don’t even bother ask athletes and parents when the season ends because it seemingly never does with special teams and pitching instruction,” Field said. “There are consequences to that highly repetitive activity and the demanding nature of that activity, i.e. trying to throw a baseball as fast as possible.”
Field knows of 12-year-olds who have needed Tommy John surgery and said that more awareness needs to be raised to discontinue the trend.
“I would suggest that a significant percentage of these athletes that are high-level pitchers that go to high-level programs like Mississippi State come with a history of elbow problems,” Field said. “They may not have had a previous Tommy John ligament tear, but there are changes that are commonly present in these athletes' elbows that are there even much, much younger than college.”
Posted on 3/20/19 at 12:18 pm to lsufball19
Why dont you provide data showing that lsu has less injuries than the other 200 programs. Kindly check yourself until that happens. Kthx
You keep bringing up miss st but dont they have an ex lsu coach? Thanks for making my point. I'll be waiting on the breakdown of the 200 other teams
You keep bringing up miss st but dont they have an ex lsu coach? Thanks for making my point. I'll be waiting on the breakdown of the 200 other teams
This post was edited on 3/20/19 at 12:20 pm
Posted on 3/20/19 at 12:20 pm to BigEdLSU
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Why dont you provide data showing that lsu has less injuries than the other 200 programs. Kindly check yourself until that happens.
When you make a claim, the burden is on you to support that claim. You've gone balls deep with the claim the past two days. "Prove me wrong" is not how rational people argue. But I did provide you with some reading material above. it would probably serve you well to read it
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You keep bringing up miss st but dont they have an ex lsu coach?
No, they don't. Those arm injuries those pitchers had happened before Canizarro (our former hitting coach who was only there for 1 season and 3 games) got there.
This post was edited on 3/20/19 at 12:22 pm
Posted on 3/20/19 at 12:21 pm to BigEdLSU
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My point is clear. Lsu is doing something to overwork our guys. Whether it be practice, scrimmage, extra league... any non homer can see the pattern period.
Since you refuse to make a case for your claim, or, maybe you know you're wrong but you just want to keep trolling, I've found a research study regarding college baseball pitcher injuries. It's a little dated but it's better than nothing.
quote:LINK
A 2007 study by Dick et al in the Journal of Athletic Training looked at injury rates for the men's baseball using the NCAA injury surveillance system from 1988-2004.
-The results show a 3x higher rate of injuries in games than in practice. (Comment: So much for your ignorant opinion that practice is when injuries occur.)
-Division I players had higher injury rates for both games and practice compared to Divisions II and III.
-Practice injuries were nearly 2 times higher in pre-season than in-season.
-Game injury rates were higher in the regular season than post-season play.
Here's a more recent article:
quote:LINK
The most common causes of pitching arm injuries to high school, college and professional pitchers are overload, overuse, lack of proper conditioning, and improper throwing mechanics.
Overload is the result of throwing too many pitches during one outing.
LSU definitely does not "overload" pitchers. They are on strict pitch counts and get removed from games once they hit their pitch count even when they are doing great.
As for as how often do pitchers get injured, here is another study:
quote:LINK
Over the past five years, over 23 percent of pitchers have been placed on the Disabled List (DL).
So almost 1 out of 4 pitchers suffer an injury on the professional level of baseball.
Now why don't YOU provide data to support your claims?
Posted on 3/20/19 at 12:21 pm to lsufball19
I've already read it. Lazy approach blaming the boogeyman.
Posted on 3/20/19 at 12:21 pm to BigEdLSU
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You keep bringing up miss st but dont they have an ex lsu coach?
Posted on 3/20/19 at 12:22 pm to LSURussian
You are so gullible
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