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re: NCAA rules lesbian D1 athlete can keep Gofundme donations
Posted on 11/20/18 at 8:55 am to tigerfoot
Posted on 11/20/18 at 8:55 am to tigerfoot
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.these athletes would not be eligible because they already have a state sponsored way to funnel them all the money they need to live and thrive.
I'm sure a lawyer would be glad to put this assertion to the test in a courtroom soon.
There have been plenty of stories of football players from hard-knock and impoverished backgrounds. And I'm sure free tuition and $500/month didn't exactly put them on easy street.
Posted on 11/20/18 at 8:56 am to tigerfoot
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such as?
Are you not going to admit that there are Assistant ADs across the country who are going to try and figure out a way to use this precedent to their advantage?
If not, there's no point in trying to discuss it.
This post was edited on 11/20/18 at 9:01 am
Posted on 11/20/18 at 8:58 am to tigerfoot
You are operating under the false assumption that all kids are entitled to their living expenses being paid for by their parents.
Under this assumption, all athletes that don’t have parents contributing to their living and educational expenses, now can start gofundmes
Under this assumption, all athletes that don’t have parents contributing to their living and educational expenses, now can start gofundmes
Posted on 11/20/18 at 9:02 am to UGATiger26
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Really? If a football player at Alabama needs a car, the university will give him $25,000 for one?
A redshirt sr who has saved their checks absolutely has been given that much. Sprinkle in some pell grants, you got yourself a charger.
Posted on 11/20/18 at 9:03 am to tigerfoot
quote:WRONG
the only athletic programs we give a shite about as a country are football and basketball. These players that we think would be getting 'funneled' money from a gofundme are all on full rides with stipends....
Posted on 11/20/18 at 9:03 am to UGATiger26
quote:No it didnt. And this girls 60k is much less.
There have been plenty of stories of football players from hard-knock and impoverished backgrounds. And I'm sure free tuition and $500/month didn't exactly put them on easy street.
Posted on 11/20/18 at 9:06 am to bamafan1001
All athletes that are not on full scholarships with living expenses and stipends are automatically ineligible. So that takes away about 99 percent of the concerns right away.
Then these cases can be heard by the NCAA and see if they are valid. There was already a process for this, why did this case get everyone upset?
Then these cases can be heard by the NCAA and see if they are valid. There was already a process for this, why did this case get everyone upset?
Posted on 11/20/18 at 9:07 am to sec13rowBBseat28
How am I wrong, are we really concerned about the cross country program at ULM. What is the issue here?
Posted on 11/20/18 at 9:09 am to bamafan1001
quote:If they go to the hearing and the NCAA approves their case, then yes. But again, this is a long established practice...why does it get the board up in arms over this case?
nder this assumption, all athletes that don’t have parents contributing to their living and educational expenses, now can start gofundmes
Posted on 11/20/18 at 9:14 am to tigerfoot
There is a long-established precedent of allowing student athlete's living expenses to be paid by anonymous, online benefactors?
Or are you just ignoring the inherent problems with this arrangement?
Or are you just ignoring the inherent problems with this arrangement?
Posted on 11/20/18 at 9:17 am to Strannix
The UCF kicker that was making money off of his YouTube channel a few years back... didn’t they rule he wasn’t allowed to do it unless his identity was not as obvious or something along those lines?
Posted on 11/20/18 at 9:19 am to tigerfoot
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If they go to the hearing and the NCAA approves their case, then yes. But again, this is a long established practice...why does it get the board up in arms over this case?
Because, as has been pointed out, this opens a Pandora's Box.
Yes, you're right. IF they go to the hearing and the NCAA approves their case. We agree on that.
But what happens when a student with a separate (but not all dissimilar situation) is denied?
Her argument in this case seems to boil down to: "My parents aren't supporting me." (i.e. I don't have parents giving me money for school and living).
There are A LOT of student-athletes out there who don't have parents giving them money for school and living.
The problem is that it seems the NCAA let emotion and PC feel-goodness cloud the issue, and now they've screwed the pooch.
This post was edited on 11/20/18 at 9:29 am
Posted on 11/20/18 at 9:22 am to tigerfoot
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such as?
Are you really that obtuse? I am certain you can think of plenty... Some have already been pointed out in this thread...
Posted on 11/20/18 at 9:28 am to DevilDogTiger
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Pandora box [open]
Yeah, opening her box is what got all of this mess started.
Posted on 11/20/18 at 9:40 am to FalseProphet
quote:I dont know what the funds paid for, nor do I really care.
There is a long-established precedent of allowing student athlete's living expenses to be paid by anonymous, online benefa
I dont know who buys the bar b que plate, I dont know who puts money in a bucket, I dont know who buys the raffle tickets, I dont know who funds the gofundme.
All the other fundraising methods that the NCAA have granted are also anonymous.
The girl had an unexpected event, coming out to your parents should not get you disowned. The NCAA viewed it as a hardship. They allowed a fundraiser.
If you dont think it was a hardship in THIS case maybe that should be what you are arguing.
Posted on 11/20/18 at 9:42 am to The Maj
quote:But those are all stupid.
I am certain you can think of plenty... Some have already been pointed out in this thread...
The only negative here is that the NCAA may be having to deny hundreds of claims for this type of support per year because it has gotten publicity.
The more time NCAA compliance spends hearing these cases the less time they can dedicate to finding out that Alabama is a bunch of soulless cheaters.
Posted on 11/20/18 at 9:44 am to Strannix
The NCAA has screwed up bigly.
Posted on 11/20/18 at 9:55 am to tigerfoot
quote:Expect to see MANY college athletes come out, get disowned by their parents, claim hardship, and demand to be allowed a gofundme.
coming out to your parents should not get you disowned. The NCAA viewed it as a hardship
Posted on 11/20/18 at 9:56 am to tigerfoot
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The only negative here is that the NCAA may be having to deny hundreds of claims for this type of support per year because it has gotten publicity.
But why?
Why should this girl be allowed to raise money when Ashley, who plays basketball at Tennessee and was raised by a single mom on welfare, cannot?
This is a white girl who is attending a private Catholic school. I'd be willing to bet money that her background is what might be described as "privileged." In fact, I'd bet that pretty, innocent white face sure attracted a lot of attention (and $$$).
So her sob story gets a pass, but Ashley's situation - which is surely MUCH more common, and is just as much of an economic hardship - does not?
And please stop treating scholarship benefits (tuition and room + board) as tangible cash awards. We both know that's not true.
If Harvard allows me to enroll for free and stay in one of their dorms for free, does that really mean they gave me $250,000? No. If I don't have two dimes to rub together, it's kind of hard to live and continue attending Harvard isn't it?
And I also at your $5000/year stipend "gotcha" argument. The poverty line for an individual right now is $12,140. Even if you factor in free room and board and free meals, you're probably not getting much higher above that line. It really wouldn't be that difficult to argue that $5,000/year is inadequate for an athlete who otherwise doesn't have any other money to their name (and who isn't allowed to have a job).
Like has been said, the NCAA done f'd up.
This post was edited on 11/20/18 at 10:01 am
Posted on 11/20/18 at 10:05 am to UGATiger26
Ashley did not have a change of life event.
I dont care what her background is. It seems alot here do.
Ashley again did not have a change of life event.
I cant stop treating room, board, scholarship, books, clothing, and a stipend as having a tangible benefit. Because, they do. And if monies given to you to pay for these things have NO benefit as you suggest, why are you mad at this gofundme to pay for the same? It obviously has no benefit either.
Harvard would have definitely given you something of value.
I dont care what her background is. It seems alot here do.
Ashley again did not have a change of life event.
I cant stop treating room, board, scholarship, books, clothing, and a stipend as having a tangible benefit. Because, they do. And if monies given to you to pay for these things have NO benefit as you suggest, why are you mad at this gofundme to pay for the same? It obviously has no benefit either.
Harvard would have definitely given you something of value.
This post was edited on 11/20/18 at 10:06 am
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