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re: what about the back to back unsportsman like conduct penalties?
Posted on 10/26/18 at 1:10 pm to boxcar willie
Posted on 10/26/18 at 1:10 pm to boxcar willie
quote:
Has anyone ever seen or recall this penalty being enforced in this manner on a post play celebration?
No. It was a ridiculous call that you’ll never see again.
Posted on 10/26/18 at 1:13 pm to I-59 Tiger
quote:
guess Georgia should have been penalized 675 yards in 2007 when most of the team ran on the field vs Florida in the Gator Bowl.
Kickoff from the parking lot.
Posted on 10/26/18 at 1:23 pm to moneyg
quote:go find another SEC team that did a choreographed stunt like that and weren't penalized...
No. It was a ridiculous call that you’ll never see again.
Posted on 10/26/18 at 1:28 pm to choupiquesushi
That I understand because it's four separate unsportsmanlike actions in one play but this was one action involving two players which is what I don't understand.
Posted on 10/26/18 at 1:29 pm to choupiquesushi
quote:
one player easily could have said something or done something else that the cameras didn't pick up.
Now you are just making up things.
It’s pretty easy to see how an official makes these absurd calls though by reading your posts. Officials lose site of the game itself and get lost in the weeds of rule interpretation, points of emphasis, and of course their arrogance.
Meanwhile everyone here who has watched thousands of hours of football, has never se n it called like this and immediately knows it isn’t right.
Posted on 10/26/18 at 1:29 pm to Brantlsu
quote:closest official says'''' 22 stop that, he replies FACK YOU" boom another flag
unsportsman like conduct penalties?
That I understand because it's four separate unsportsmanlike actions in one play but this was one action involving two players which is what I don't understand.
Posted on 10/26/18 at 2:12 pm to choupiquesushi
Jesus Christ is it really that hard to quote the fricking rulebook?
I see one poster did, in part.
Here let me clear it up for y'all.
Notice a prohibited Act of a choreographed celebration is in both singular and plural form for the players involved. That means that the choreographed act itself is a single foul. That doesn't mean that every player that participated in the choreographed act will be assessed a penalty separately. If that was the intent of the rule then they wouldn't have written it also in plural form, they would have only written it in singular form so that each player can be assessed a 15-yard penalty separately.
Now I could see it being charged that way if there were two separate choreographed Acts apart from one another after or during the same play. That wasn't the case.
According to the rules, the way the penalty should have been assessed, was a live ball, 15-yard unsportsmanlike for the hit by Devin White which means that Mississippi State retains the ball and marches off 15 yards towards the goal line. Then, another 15-yard unsportsmanlike penalty on a dead ball foul for the singular choreographed Act with multiple players that occurred after the play was blown dead.
The result should have been Mississippi State ball with 30 yards marched off for two penalties. The angry ref instead either fricked up because he doesn't know even the basics of assessing unsportsmanlike conduct penalties or there was intent to March off as many penalties as he could reasonably get away with. Which is what happened.
Nevermind the fact that Devin white, by any reasonable interpretation of the targeting rule, which I studied, did not in fact meet the definition of targeting. In fact, one could argue he didn't even meet the definition of roughing-the-passer either as it was a pretty bang bang play, his momentum was already carrying him forward before the quarterback released the ball and he even look like he made attempts to pull up to minimize impact.
I see one poster did, in part.
Here let me clear it up for y'all.
quote:
NCAA Rule 9 – Conduct of Players and Others Subject to the Rules
SECTION 2. Unsportsmanlike Conduct Fouls
ARTICLE 1. Unsportsmanlike Acts
a. Specifically prohibited acts and conduct include:
1. No player, substitute, coach or other person subject to the rules shall...:
4. Any delayed, excessive, prolonged or choreographed act by which a player (or players) attempts to focus attention upon himself (or themselves).
PENALTY –
Live-ball fouls by non-players and all dead-ball fouls: 15 yards from the succeeding spot [S7 and S27].
Notice a prohibited Act of a choreographed celebration is in both singular and plural form for the players involved. That means that the choreographed act itself is a single foul. That doesn't mean that every player that participated in the choreographed act will be assessed a penalty separately. If that was the intent of the rule then they wouldn't have written it also in plural form, they would have only written it in singular form so that each player can be assessed a 15-yard penalty separately.
Now I could see it being charged that way if there were two separate choreographed Acts apart from one another after or during the same play. That wasn't the case.
According to the rules, the way the penalty should have been assessed, was a live ball, 15-yard unsportsmanlike for the hit by Devin White which means that Mississippi State retains the ball and marches off 15 yards towards the goal line. Then, another 15-yard unsportsmanlike penalty on a dead ball foul for the singular choreographed Act with multiple players that occurred after the play was blown dead.
The result should have been Mississippi State ball with 30 yards marched off for two penalties. The angry ref instead either fricked up because he doesn't know even the basics of assessing unsportsmanlike conduct penalties or there was intent to March off as many penalties as he could reasonably get away with. Which is what happened.
Nevermind the fact that Devin white, by any reasonable interpretation of the targeting rule, which I studied, did not in fact meet the definition of targeting. In fact, one could argue he didn't even meet the definition of roughing-the-passer either as it was a pretty bang bang play, his momentum was already carrying him forward before the quarterback released the ball and he even look like he made attempts to pull up to minimize impact.
This post was edited on 10/26/18 at 2:20 pm
Posted on 10/26/18 at 2:19 pm to choupiquesushi
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2 individual dead ball fouls... not a first... I had a game YEARS ago that had 4.. and I believe for the SEC and ACC this type of stuff is a point of emphasis.. and LSU has had some shenanigans post play already this year.. so you can bet when crews are pre-gaming this is part of the discussion - to nip it in the bud....
So you're trying to tell us you penalized a team 60 yards on one play. BS
Posted on 10/26/18 at 2:29 pm to choupiquesushi
quote:
go find another SEC team that did a choreographed stunt like that and weren't penalized...
That is just ignorant. And why you have no credibility. Of Course they get flagged, but you act like a 45 yd cumulative UNS penalty happens every week and the fact is it doesn't. When called out on it, you reference a highschool? game that may or may not have had the nearly same circumstance, but Karr def got 4 flags before the.... Blah blah blah. The call was bush league and no one has shown a precedent to this point.
Posted on 10/26/18 at 2:40 pm to sabanisarustedspoke
quote:I didn't the white hat did..
So you're trying to tell us you penalized a team 60 yards on one play. BS
Posted on 10/26/18 at 2:41 pm to sabanisarustedspoke
quote:NO.. but I did state it is under the rules.. for multiple and separate UNS to be enforced... I even said it's rare..
That is just ignorant. And why you have no credibility. Of Course they get flagged, but you act like a 45 yd cumulative UNS penalty happens every week and the fact is it doesn't.
Posted on 10/26/18 at 2:43 pm to choupiquesushi
quote:This is ridiculous. Imgaine if they would have called 300+ yards worth of penalty on UGA here
hadn't seen that yet but the rule and enforcement though it could work out that way.. the odds of 8 being silly enough to do that are slim though...
This post was edited on 10/26/18 at 2:44 pm
Posted on 10/26/18 at 2:44 pm to nola000
quote:which makes it likely that one of the players either said or did something that warranted the second UNS
Jesus Christ is it really that hard to quote the fricking rulebook?
I see one poster did, in part.
Here let me clear it up for y'all.
quote:
NCAA Rule 9 – Conduct of Players and Others Subject to the Rules
SECTION 2. Unsportsmanlike Conduct Fouls
ARTICLE 1. Unsportsmanlike Acts
a. Specifically prohibited acts and conduct include:
1. No player, substitute, coach or other person subject to the rules shall...:
4. Any delayed, excessive, prolonged or choreographed act by which a player (or players) attempts to focus attention upon himself (or themselves).
PENALTY –
Live-ball fouls by non-players and all dead-ball fouls: 15 yards from the succeeding spot [S7 and S27].
Notice a prohibited Act of a choreographed celebration is in both singular and plural form for the players involved. That means that the choreographed act itself is a single foul. That doesn't mean that every player that participated in the choreographed act will be assessed a penalty separately. If that was the intent of the rule then they wouldn't have written it also in plural form, they would have only written it in singular form so that each player can be assessed a 15-yard penalty separately.
Now I could see it being charged that way if there were two separate choreographed Acts apart from one another after or during the same play. That wasn't the case.
According to the rules, the way the penalty should have been assessed, was a live ball, 15-yard unsportsmanlike for the hit by Devin White which means that Mississippi State retains the ball and marches off 15 yards towards the goal line. Then, another 15-yard unsportsmanlike penalty on a dead ball foul for the singular choreographed Act with multiple players that occurred after the play was blown dead.
The result should have been Mississippi State ball with 30 yards marched off for two penalties. The angry ref instead either fricked up because he doesn't know even the basics of assessing unsportsmanlike conduct penalties or there was intent to March off as many penalties as he could reasonably get away with. Which is what happened.
Nevermind the fact that Devin white, by any reasonable interpretation of the targeting rule, which I studied, did not in fact meet the definition of targeting. In fact, one could argue he didn't even meet the definition of roughing-the-passer either as it was a pretty bang bang play, his momentum was already carrying him forward before the quarterback released the ball and he even look like he made attempts to pull up to minimize impact.
Posted on 10/26/18 at 2:51 pm to choupiquesushi
quote:
go find another SEC team that did a choreographed stunt like that and weren't penalized...
I know that you know that that is not the point that people are arguing here? That statement is a total deflection from the point of this thread.
Posted on 10/26/18 at 2:58 pm to choupiquesushi
I dream of a day that I'll click on an officiating thread and a high-school official nuts up and says, "Yeah, refs are human. Sometimes we screw up. This looks like one of those times."
I suspect I'll find Bigfoot before I find that thread, though.
I suspect I'll find Bigfoot before I find that thread, though.
Posted on 10/26/18 at 3:00 pm to choupiquesushi
quote:
which makes it likely that one of the players either said or did something that warranted the second UNS
there is no indication of that. More likely just an overzealous ref eager to punish a team he seems to despise (did you see the expression on his face when he made the call? Was not normal). Apparantly there is no precedent for assessing a singular infraction like that in a cumulative manner
This post was edited on 10/26/18 at 3:01 pm
Posted on 10/26/18 at 3:22 pm to boxcar willie
quote:what would be the indication that one of em said something?
there is no indication of that.
Posted on 10/26/18 at 3:23 pm to boxcar willie
I've never seen more than one penalty enforced on a play. Typically teams pick one and have to decline the others.
Posted on 10/26/18 at 3:24 pm to New York Yat
quote:nah.. I had an old post where i said a mistake of mine sent a team to WM for a first round rout instead a winnable first round game...
I dream of a day that I'll click on an officiating thread and a high-school official nuts up and says, "Yeah, refs are human. Sometimes we screw up. This looks like one of those times."
I suspect I'll find Bigfoot before I find that thread, though
Posted on 10/26/18 at 3:25 pm to Philippines4LSU
quote:true with live ball fouls, not dead ball fouls(save for pre-snap fouls - such as delay of game or false start - it can only be one of those.)
I've never seen more than one penalty enforced on a play. Typically teams pick one and have to decline the others.
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