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During NRA conventions, gun injuries drop 20% nationwide—63% in hosting state

Posted on 3/4/18 at 3:43 am
Posted by saintforlife
Member since Aug 2008
1044 posts
Posted on 3/4/18 at 3:43 am
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When gun enthusiasts gather for the National Rifle Association’s annual conventions, rates of gun-related injuries and deaths drop by 20 percent nationwide—and a whopping 63 percent in the hosting state—according to an analysis published this week in the New England Journal of Medicine.

The finding was based on an analysis of insurance data on gun injury rates during NRA conventions from 2007 through 2015, as well as rates three weeks before and three weeks after each of the conventions. The researchers behind the work—health policy expert Anupam Jena, MD, PhD of Harvard Medical School and economist Andrew Olenski of Columbia University—also looked at crime rates during those times.
They found no significant change in crime rates despite the dip in injuries. They also noted that the largest drops in firearm-related injuries during NRA conventions were in men, the southern and western areas of the country, and in states with the highest levels of gun ownership.

Though the analysis can only provide a correlation—not causation—Jena and Olenski suggest it may refute a common argument among gun proponents. That is, that gun accidents happen primarily in the hands of inexperienced users and that practice and training—promoted by the NRA—can greatly reduce or eliminate safety concerns and accidents, which affect thousands each year. In 2014, for example, there were 461 unintentional firearm deaths and 15,928 unintentional, non-fatal injuries, 1,960 of which involved youths.

Researchers say it shoots holes in the argument that untrained users cause accidents

Correlation =/= Causation - so what are some reasons rate of gun injuries could be going down during NRA conventions?
Posted by Barstools
Atlanta
Member since Jan 2016
11205 posts
Posted on 3/4/18 at 3:49 am to
Because people don't shoot up gun conventions, they shoot up places where people are unarmed.
This post was edited on 3/4/18 at 8:22 pm
Posted by TigersSEC2010
Warren, Michigan
Member since Jan 2010
38154 posts
Posted on 3/4/18 at 3:49 am to
This is almost as bad as California trying to say Nevada gun shows are why their state is a shithole
Posted by Street Hawk
Member since Nov 2014
3593 posts
Posted on 3/4/18 at 3:55 am to
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so what are some reasons rate of gun injuries could be going down during NRA conventions?


I’ll go with the domino effect theory:

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In a response to CNN, co-author Jena emphasized that the study was not designed to explain the cause of the drops. But he speculated that gun owners who attend NRA conventions may be those who tend to use their guns more frequently than non-attending owners.

Moreover, he and Olenski noted a potential domino effect from the convention disrupting other group events or trips involving firearms and venues, such as shooting ranges and hunting grounds, where owners may temporarily close up to attend the convention. Last, the researchers noted that many NRA convention goers travel long distances to attend, potentially helping to explain the nationwide declines. For instance, 60 percent of the 81,000 NRA members attending the 2017 convention ventured more than 200 miles to get there.
Posted by JohnnyT
Central Texas
Member since Feb 2005
1841 posts
Posted on 3/4/18 at 4:22 am to
I looked at the linked New England Journal of Medicine study and it doesn't provide (at least that I saw) the raw data. It would be good to see that source data and understand how many gun related "accidents" are in the sample sizes. Also no analytics involving experience, training and practice levels of those involved.

Here's another way to look at the phenomenon: if NRA annual meeting attendance is causal, one could infer that when not at an NRA annual meeting, the attendees are the most likely to be involved in gun injuries. Since attendees are only a small percentage of total gun owners, they must be the most prone to being involved in gun injuries due to accidents, and by a sizeable margin, unless the gun injury sample size is very small.

The bold font data in your OP strikes me as correlation to the drop in overall accidents. If injuries due to gun accidents drop, wouldn't it follow that the drops would occur wherever the guns are?
Posted by IllegalPete
Front Range
Member since Oct 2017
7182 posts
Posted on 3/4/18 at 4:26 am to
Obviously this is because NRA members are the people shooting all those inner city blacks, schools, and abortion clinics.

I guess the cure for gun violence is to just have NRA conventions every weekend. Problem solved!
This post was edited on 3/4/18 at 4:27 am
Posted by cj35
Member since Jan 2014
6153 posts
Posted on 3/4/18 at 6:45 am to
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they shoot up places where people are unnamed.
How dare those parents not give their children names. It is obviously the calling of the NRA to resolve this lack of responsible parenting by eliminating the problem one at a time. Exterminate the nameless.
Posted by Cracker
in a box
Member since Nov 2009
19080 posts
Posted on 3/4/18 at 9:20 am to
lets do a study on crime during the nba finals
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
43832 posts
Posted on 3/4/18 at 9:51 am to
quote:

so what are some reasons rate of gun injuries could be going down during NRA conventions?


The ppl that attend NRA conventions are armed and they know how to use guns safely.
Posted by Houma Sapien
up the bayou
Member since Jul 2013
1688 posts
Posted on 3/4/18 at 9:54 am to
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The ppl that attend NRA conventions are armed and they know how to use guns safely.


I think the OP is implying that gun injuries are down because all the gun owners are at a convention and not at home shooting each other, whether by accident or on purpose.

ETA: like this -> Gun Advocate Shot By 4-year Old Son
This post was edited on 3/4/18 at 9:56 am
Posted by Peazey
Metry
Member since Apr 2012
25424 posts
Posted on 3/4/18 at 10:01 am to
quote:

so what are some reasons rate of gun injuries could be going down during NRA conventions?



The people who normally commit the gun crimes are too busy attending the convention?
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
138045 posts
Posted on 3/4/18 at 10:09 am to
So the NRA is saving lives
Posted by The_Duke
Member since Nov 2016
4161 posts
Posted on 3/4/18 at 10:16 am to
Because the ppl with all the guns are congregated in one place so they aren't capable of being out and about shooting shite up?
Posted by The_Duke
Member since Nov 2016
4161 posts
Posted on 3/4/18 at 10:17 am to
quote:

The ppl that attend NRA conventions are armed and they know how to use guns safely.




but cops still shoot themselves.
Posted by SPEEDY
2005 Tiger Smack Poster of the Year
Member since Dec 2003
86886 posts
Posted on 3/4/18 at 10:19 am to
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Because people don't shoot up gun conventions, they shoot up places where people are unnamed.



Especially gun free zones
Posted by msutiger
Houston
Member since Jul 2008
71358 posts
Posted on 3/4/18 at 10:38 am to
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