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re: Proposed Moon Mission Offers Little Value at Astronomical Cost
Posted on 2/5/18 at 4:55 pm to DavidTheGnome
Posted on 2/5/18 at 4:55 pm to DavidTheGnome
His name was LucasP, and you killed him
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Posted on 2/5/18 at 4:56 pm to DavidTheGnome
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know the names of a single astronaut, etc either.
Anyone who couldn't tell me who Neil Armstrong or Buzz Aldrin is should not be reproducing.
Posted on 2/5/18 at 4:59 pm to AUCE05
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Ha. The distance from earth to Satarn is basically zero when considering interstellar travel. Building a base on the moon is like building a supply hut in your driveway when you plan on driving to Alaska.
Your understanding of physics is sorely lacking. It takes a lot of fuel to create the inertia to escape the Earth’s gravitational pull. By launching from the moon you avoid that extra fuel expenditure and stress on the ship. This makes travel to more distant planets infinitely more possibly.
Posted on 2/5/18 at 5:04 pm to PsychTiger
I decided it wasn't worth my time to explain the benefit of having an extrestrial base
Posted on 2/5/18 at 5:04 pm to PsychTiger
How are you gonna maintain all of those capital investments? Food? Medical care for labor? The maintaince alone would run a small nation. So all of these raw materials would have to be flown, from earth, to the moon. From there. What will we do next? Fly a man to Satarn? Nope. A moon base would be a complete waste of resources you could invest in robotics and rocket technology.
This post was edited on 2/5/18 at 5:05 pm
Posted on 2/5/18 at 5:11 pm to OMLandshark
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I think it's far more practical to first build a Moon Base, and then launch to Mars from said base.
It’s more practical to put a space station at the LaGrangian point between Earth and Mars. We all know that is the site of our first colony.
Posted on 2/5/18 at 5:13 pm to RollTide1987
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Here's the thing, and this will always be true, no one gives a shite about space flight if it doesn't involve a human being.
This. No one gives a frick about some guy operating a drone, but we damn sure want to know about the stud who shot down a MiG.
Posted on 2/5/18 at 5:14 pm to AUCE05
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How are you gonna maintain all of those capital investments? Food? Medical care for labor? The maintaince alone would run a small nation. So all of these raw materials would have to be flown, from earth, to the moon. From there. What will we do next? Fly a man to Satarn? Nope. A moon base would be a complete waste of resources you could invest in robotics and rocket technology.
Says the guy who doesn't understand the most basic of physics.
You can bring up all of these flaws with the ISS, yet it still manages to get along. Costs on the low end would be $10 billion and at high end it would be $52 billion, which should eventually pay for itself in the course of a generation with mining. By the way the ISS cost $150 billion, and an aircraft carrier has costs $13 billion. I am comfortable with my tax dollars going to this.
You can also make tons of crap there once the infrastructure is in place, such as food and fuel. Everything is fairly recyclable. Plus you can launch other probes from there to mine asteroids as well, and then they just drop the materials into low earth orbit. I could go into detail, but I'm wasting my time.
Posted on 2/5/18 at 5:16 pm to TDFreak
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It’s more practical to put a space station at the LaGrangian point between Earth and Mars. We all know that is the site of our first colony.
That is constantly in flux though and would require spending fuel that would be almost impossible to maintain. I don't see how you could do it.
Posted on 2/5/18 at 5:17 pm to DavidTheGnome
A lot of very useful inventions came about from going into space.
It's where our future is. Only the short sighted don't see this, and to argue to do it only when it's more affordable means it will never happen.
NASA is one of the few federal programs that is woefully underfunded. If I was president I'd quadruple their budget tomorrow and give them a deadline to have me a plan for a moonbase in 6 months.
It's where our future is. Only the short sighted don't see this, and to argue to do it only when it's more affordable means it will never happen.
NASA is one of the few federal programs that is woefully underfunded. If I was president I'd quadruple their budget tomorrow and give them a deadline to have me a plan for a moonbase in 6 months.
Posted on 2/5/18 at 5:20 pm to DavidTheGnome
As a species, we are literally racing against the burn out of the sun.
Posted on 2/5/18 at 5:28 pm to Jcorye1
Burning out of the sun isn’t much of a race, we’ve got a while. If protecting of the species is a concern then investing in a monitoring system for asteroids/comets and a way to deal with those that pose a risk of impact is a much more immediate threat.
Posted on 2/5/18 at 5:32 pm to Jcorye1
quote:Right on! But more so, our planet has had an extended period of tranquility. Much less space rock smashing into us. We’re reminded of this fragility of our existence with every near miss asteroid we hear in the news. I believe we have been blessed from above to make it this far in our civilizations’ progress. But, it’s just a matter of time. Can’t keep hitting the snooze button forever
As a species, we are literally racing against the burn out of the sun.
The only way we can guarantee the continuation of the human race is to end our dependency on Earth. That means space colonization.
Posted on 2/5/18 at 5:33 pm to DavidTheGnome
Caring and feeding for the poor is a bigger waste of money.
Posted on 2/5/18 at 5:34 pm to OMLandshark
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You can bring up all of these flaws with the ISS, yet it still manages to get along. Costs on the low end would be $10 billion and at high end it would be $52 billion, which should eventually pay for itself in the course of a generation with mining. By the way the ISS cost $150 billion, and an aircraft carrier has costs $13 billion. I am comfortable with my tax dollars going to this.
It manages to get along because we keep plowing money into it, which we’d have to do for a moon base as well but at a much greater cost. If you took that $150 billion and let NASA spend it on unmanned space exploration the amount of science (and yes new tech as well) that could be achieved is mind blowing. Instead of science instruments the vast bulk of the cost of the ISS is spent on life support.
Posted on 2/5/18 at 5:38 pm to DavidTheGnome
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There's very little reason to send a man back to the moon
To see the aliens yes there is
Posted on 2/5/18 at 5:38 pm to DavidTheGnome
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It manages to get along because we keep plowing money into it, which we’d have to do for a moon base as well but at a much greater cost. If you took that $150 billion and let NASA spend it on unmanned space exploration the amount of science (and yes new tech as well) that could be achieved is mind blowing. Instead of science instruments the vast bulk of the cost of the ISS is spent on life support.
But on the side you're also mining materials that are rare on Earth and would be the preferable launching point for asteroid mining. You can just drop the payload in low Earth orbit from there.
Posted on 2/5/18 at 5:41 pm to OMLandshark
The value of the resources on the moon is in the fact that it’s already up there, not that it would make economic sense to mine to send to Earth.
Posted on 2/5/18 at 5:43 pm to OMLandshark
Just give it up OML, they don’t want to understand. That’s why most of my posts are purely satirical in nature.
Posted on 2/5/18 at 5:43 pm to DavidTheGnome
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not that it would make economic sense to mine to send to Earth.
Helium 3? That's incredibly valuable. Launching from the Moon (as you know) is far cheaper than the Earth.
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