re: So when do we actually start giving O some credit?

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when do we actually start giving O some credit?

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orgeron is 16-5 across 2 Power 5 conferences in the last 3 seasons he has coached.

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We start giving 0 credit when he surpasses what Lester Miles would have accomplished if he remained as LSU's head coach. Just in case you were wondering, Les had a record of 114–34 overall at LSU (an average of over 10 wins per season). There is a very good chance a Miles-coached 2017 team would have beaten Troy and held off Moo State--likely putting LSU in the top 10 nationally and potentially placing them in contention for the CFP.

But, all of that aside, 0 has done better than I feared after the Troy loss, about equal to what Miles accomplished historically, and certainly not BETTER than the coaching administration he replaced.

0 bought himself another year by maintaining the status quo, and we'll see where the shrimp boat captain takes us from here. Mullen at FU and Fisher at Faggie Land will likely make 2018 more difficult than 2017.