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Ever try to exit a store through a marked exit and it was locked?
Posted on 10/14/17 at 7:22 pm
Posted on 10/14/17 at 7:22 pm
I did today at a local sporting goods retailer that sells stuff for bass fishing professional shoppers. The north entrance was locked when I went to the store, so I had to walk around to the front. When I was ready to leave I decided I was going to exit that north door.
These particular doors were designed as entry/exit doors into and out of the building. People gave been using these doors for years.
They were both locked from the inside. Keyed deadbolts. There was a pushbar to open one door. It wouldn't work. An Exit sign is over this doorway, but it wasn't lit.
I went and got a manager. He didn't want to get inconvenienced and said he'd check into it. I explained that the law requires employees and customers to have exits open up in an emergency, but he said it was a corporate thing and he'd check into it. He wasn't interested. Okay. No problem. I walked away and I called the local Fire Marshall, explained the problem, and in ten minutes he met me at the front door. I walked him to the problem doors. He saw that they were locked from the inside and wouldn't open. He also saw multiple exit signs not lit and checked other exit doors. All were locked. Not only were they deadbolt locked, they were also electronically locked. Fire Marshall was pissed and went to seek out the manager. I followed. He confronted the manager and the manager unlocked the doors with his key, but had to go back and get an electronic key card to actually open them. This pissed off the fire Marshall even more.
When I left, the fire marshall was writing a citation and told the manager that a report of the violations are also sent to OSHA and that someone from OSHA would be contacting the manager for their investigation. He also said he'd be back tomorrow and all the exit signs better work or he could force the business to close until they were.
I waited for the fire Marshall to finish reaming out this store manager and I gave him my contact info if he needed it. He told me the fine from the city for this kind of deliberate violation is usually serious and substantial, but they investigate the approved plans and submittals first to see if the exits were ever deemed emergency exits or ingress/egress exits and determine if they changed anything without submitting requests to the city. I looked up OSHA fines this evening and found examples where they fined businesses over a hundred thousand dollars for locking two or more emergency exits. Damn.
Any fireman here understand the laws about locking exits? What happens if a business does that and gets busted by a fire safety inspection? My interest in this goes back to when my dad was a fireman back in the 60`s and I remember him being upset at carrying out some people who died in a fire because the business had locked the exit doors. I heard him say to my mom, "There ought to be a law against that. That business owner should have to go to jail for those people dying." I guess the laws were much more loose back then.
These particular doors were designed as entry/exit doors into and out of the building. People gave been using these doors for years.
They were both locked from the inside. Keyed deadbolts. There was a pushbar to open one door. It wouldn't work. An Exit sign is over this doorway, but it wasn't lit.
I went and got a manager. He didn't want to get inconvenienced and said he'd check into it. I explained that the law requires employees and customers to have exits open up in an emergency, but he said it was a corporate thing and he'd check into it. He wasn't interested. Okay. No problem. I walked away and I called the local Fire Marshall, explained the problem, and in ten minutes he met me at the front door. I walked him to the problem doors. He saw that they were locked from the inside and wouldn't open. He also saw multiple exit signs not lit and checked other exit doors. All were locked. Not only were they deadbolt locked, they were also electronically locked. Fire Marshall was pissed and went to seek out the manager. I followed. He confronted the manager and the manager unlocked the doors with his key, but had to go back and get an electronic key card to actually open them. This pissed off the fire Marshall even more.
When I left, the fire marshall was writing a citation and told the manager that a report of the violations are also sent to OSHA and that someone from OSHA would be contacting the manager for their investigation. He also said he'd be back tomorrow and all the exit signs better work or he could force the business to close until they were.
I waited for the fire Marshall to finish reaming out this store manager and I gave him my contact info if he needed it. He told me the fine from the city for this kind of deliberate violation is usually serious and substantial, but they investigate the approved plans and submittals first to see if the exits were ever deemed emergency exits or ingress/egress exits and determine if they changed anything without submitting requests to the city. I looked up OSHA fines this evening and found examples where they fined businesses over a hundred thousand dollars for locking two or more emergency exits. Damn.
Any fireman here understand the laws about locking exits? What happens if a business does that and gets busted by a fire safety inspection? My interest in this goes back to when my dad was a fireman back in the 60`s and I remember him being upset at carrying out some people who died in a fire because the business had locked the exit doors. I heard him say to my mom, "There ought to be a law against that. That business owner should have to go to jail for those people dying." I guess the laws were much more loose back then.
Posted on 10/14/17 at 7:23 pm to HubbaBubba
Lol like I'm reading all that
Posted on 10/14/17 at 7:25 pm to HubbaBubba
I'd rather burn to death than be a snitch.
Posted on 10/14/17 at 7:28 pm to HubbaBubba
You have way more time on your hands than me
Posted on 10/14/17 at 7:28 pm to HubbaBubba
You sound like you are old, retired, and bored.
Posted on 10/14/17 at 7:29 pm to HubbaBubba
OP
This post was edited on 10/14/17 at 7:31 pm
Posted on 10/14/17 at 7:29 pm to HubbaBubba
So a big business moves to BR and you send big bad government to frick them
No wonder nobody wants to live here
No wonder nobody wants to live here
Posted on 10/14/17 at 7:30 pm to HubbaBubba
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I called the local Fire Marshall,
I made it this far, then I realized you were a whiny little bitch.
This post was edited on 10/14/17 at 7:31 pm
Posted on 10/14/17 at 7:32 pm to HubbaBubba
you sir may have just saved a life or two...
Posted on 10/14/17 at 7:33 pm to PearlJam
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You sound like you are old, retired, and bored.
Or north of 300lbs and would rather cause a huge scene instead of walking a few more steps to the unlocked exit.
Posted on 10/14/17 at 7:39 pm to HubbaBubba
You are going to catch hell here, but good for you.
Many of the worst fires involving fatalities were the result of locked exit doors. Once the fire occurs, it’s too late to take those things back.
In this case you did something before someone was hurt or worse.
OSHA fines are going to heavily depend on whether that particular location has been previously warned and fined in the past. They will likely not be severe if it is the first time. But if OSHA has been there before and the actions are deemed willful, they will greatly increase the fine.
The other problem may be the size of the company. Unfortunately, many large companies get fines reduced or removed that wouldn’t happen for a smaller company.
Many of the worst fires involving fatalities were the result of locked exit doors. Once the fire occurs, it’s too late to take those things back.
In this case you did something before someone was hurt or worse.
OSHA fines are going to heavily depend on whether that particular location has been previously warned and fined in the past. They will likely not be severe if it is the first time. But if OSHA has been there before and the actions are deemed willful, they will greatly increase the fine.
The other problem may be the size of the company. Unfortunately, many large companies get fines reduced or removed that wouldn’t happen for a smaller company.
This post was edited on 10/14/17 at 7:41 pm
Posted on 10/14/17 at 7:41 pm to HubbaBubba
Well you sound like a real joy to be around.
Posted on 10/14/17 at 7:45 pm to HubbaBubba
You'll have snot nosed punks reply about snitching.
frick them.
Real danger exists and real tragedies can be avoided in the most seemingly ordinary circumstances.
You recognized this and did something about it. It may have kept firemen from carrying dead children out of that store. Weigh that versus keeping your mouth shut to look cool to internet cocksuckers.
frick them.
Real danger exists and real tragedies can be avoided in the most seemingly ordinary circumstances.
You recognized this and did something about it. It may have kept firemen from carrying dead children out of that store. Weigh that versus keeping your mouth shut to look cool to internet cocksuckers.
Posted on 10/14/17 at 7:59 pm to HubbaBubba
So, to make a long story short, the manager is screwing your girlfriend, so you called the fire marshal to get back at him.
Posted on 10/14/17 at 8:06 pm to Eightballjacket
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So, to make a long story short, the manager is screwing your girlfriend, so you called the fire marshal to get back at him.
Posted on 10/14/17 at 8:07 pm to HubbaBubba
I’m not saying locking those doors are ok - but they do it to try to maintain control of theft. Many POS look for those doors to run out with merchandise and the thugs don’t give a frick if the alarm goes off or not. Thieves will have someone in a car waiting for them right by that door!
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