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re: NYT's ISIS expert: ISIS likely behind LV attack.

Posted on 10/6/17 at 1:50 am to
Posted by MrCarton
Paradise Valley, MT
Member since Dec 2009
20231 posts
Posted on 10/6/17 at 1:50 am to
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And while I don't have a major issue what what she said


My major beef is really simple. Saying that ISIL is responsible for something that a person does when ISIL had no operational involvement i.e. Planning, funding, mentoring, logistics etc is at best erroneous and at worst dishonest. It's like saying that the Braves are responsible for the fish I caught last weekend because I sympathize with them. We wouldn't apply this logic universally. Most everyone rejects this logic when it appears in civil cases concerning video game violence.

Using her logic, virtually any Muslim terrorist who had viewed an ISIS video can be claimed as an agent of ISIS. This makes them seem far more operationally capable than they are. Seeming more effective than they are is a critical recruiting tool of terrorist organizations and insurgencies. It a doctrinal principle of insurgent and terrorist strategy. She is carrying water for ISIS by using this criteria. Good for clicks tho.

ISIL has made thousands of claims for attacks and actions that are complete or partially fabrications. Even their execution videos contain deliberately misleading content,though they are responsible for the killings. Lying is what they do. They are very good at propaganda and their entire goal is to motivate others to join them. Which means they need to appear effective and terrifying. It's ridiculous that a journalist who thinks herself so knowledgeable of them hasn't stumbled upon the hundreds of obvious examples of exaggeration and deliberately misleading ISIS claims. She's confirming her bias and writing attention grabbing stories in doing so.
This post was edited on 10/6/17 at 1:52 am
Posted by texag7
College Station
Member since Apr 2014
38071 posts
Posted on 10/6/17 at 1:52 am to
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their entire goal is to motivate others to join them.


Unfortunately it does work in many cases for them.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35309 posts
Posted on 10/6/17 at 1:58 am to
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It's ridiculous that a journalist who thinks herself so knowledgeable of them hasn't stumbled upon the hundreds of obvious examples of exaggeration and deliberately misleading ISIS claims. She's confirming her bias and writing attention grabbing stories in doing so.
Good points. I guess the OP was so ridiculous that her reasoning seemed completley rational by comparison.

But I find it odd how she noted her "50 examples." I have no idea how she made any determinations about it. It's more scientific than a lot of the junk, but still not very scientific.
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