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SHARE Act / Hearing Protection Act shelved indefinitely
Posted on 10/3/17 at 1:47 pm
Posted on 10/3/17 at 1:47 pm
I figured this would be more for the OB than the poli board tards.
Then Hillary comes out right after the shooting and immediately pushes her agenda about the act.
I'm usually not one to believe in conspiracies, but this is too coincidental. When you have a huge pro gun bill that was backed by the house and expected to move forward gets postponed TWICE because of a mass shootings. Then the liberals go straight to the twitter to push their agenda.
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House Republican leaders called for unity and prayer Tuesday after the deadly mass shooting in Las Vegas, but offered no new legislation to tighten gun laws and said a bill to ease regulations on gun silencers would be shelved indefinitely.
"We are all reeling from this horror in Las Vegas," Speaker Paul Ryan said at a news conference. "This is just awful."
Ryan said there's no plan for the House to act soon on a National Rifle Association-backed bill to ease regulations on gun silencers. A House panel had backed the bill last month and lawmakers were expected to move ahead on the measure.
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Schumer and other Democrats noted that Republicans postponed a hearing on the silencer bill in June when House Majority Whip Steve Scalise and others were shot at a congressional baseball practice.
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"When two mass shootings force you to delay a bill that would make those mass shootings harder to detect and stop, maybe that's a sign you ought to let go of the bill go, once and for all," Schumer said.
Then Hillary comes out right after the shooting and immediately pushes her agenda about the act.
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“Imagine the deaths if the shooter had a silencer, which the NRA wants to make easier to get.”
I'm usually not one to believe in conspiracies, but this is too coincidental. When you have a huge pro gun bill that was backed by the house and expected to move forward gets postponed TWICE because of a mass shootings. Then the liberals go straight to the twitter to push their agenda.
Posted on 10/3/17 at 1:50 pm to jdavid1
Eh, this was inevitable. I don't think this thing had a chance even if LV didn't happen.
Posted on 10/3/17 at 1:52 pm to jdavid1
They need to go ahead and pass it.
Posted on 10/3/17 at 1:52 pm to jdavid1
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"Hearing Protection Act"
Gotta love the Orwellian names they come up with. Get some earplugs, pussies.
Posted on 10/3/17 at 1:55 pm to Mung
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Gotta love the Orwellian names they come up with. Get some earplugs, pussies.
Orwellian?
Drama much?
Posted on 10/3/17 at 1:56 pm to jdavid1
Very interesting that these shooting happen days before the voting
Posted on 10/3/17 at 2:02 pm to jdavid1
I will never support it because calling it the Hearing Protection Act is fricking dumb. I wish the snakes would just be honest about what all of their bills due. That goes for both sides of the aisle.
Posted on 10/3/17 at 2:31 pm to Jester
What do you think silencers are for? I'll give you a hint (hearing protection).
Posted on 10/3/17 at 2:31 pm to Jester
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I will never support it because calling it the Hearing Protection Act is fricking dumb.
Then what would you call it? the "Reversal of Over-regulation of a harmless firearm accessory Act" just doesn't roll of the tongue as well.
Posted on 10/3/17 at 2:45 pm to Jester
My post on the OT lounge about rifle acoustics copy and pasted here except for a spelling error correction.
I do [some] acoustic engineering so I'm familiar with the math. Lets do some math.
Google says an AR15 shooting standard ball ammo will measure around 158dBL at 1m. Your hearing is instantly damaged at 140dBL without hearing protection. At 200m away the sound would be 108dBL
A suppressed AR15 is measured around 136dBL for a good quality can. At 200 meters the sound level would be measured at 88dBL. That's a little louder than standing beside a running lawnmower. Can you hear a lawnmower when you are standing beside it? That's how loud an AR15 shot suppressed from 200m away is. But... that is just the measurement of the muzzle blast. Any high powered rifle the bullet is supersonic and is propagating a supersonic shock wave (sonic boom) as is moves down range. That is the "crackling" sound you will hear down range. Again google search finds some testing that shows a bullet's supersonic shock wave will be in the range of 135+ dBA and there is nothing a suppressor will ever do to mask that sound signature. That is a 135dBA noise propagating down the lane of fire you that you should easily be able to hear unless you are deaf. -6dB per doubling of the distance away from the shock wave you are still over 100dBL when you are over 56M away from where the bullet passes by. That shock wave noise level is constant until you hit about 1300fps then it starts dropping off quickly. Plugging numbers into my ballistics calculator, standard XM193 556 ball ammo will not drop down to that velocity level until you hit the 600 yard range.
I do [some] acoustic engineering so I'm familiar with the math. Lets do some math.
Google says an AR15 shooting standard ball ammo will measure around 158dBL at 1m. Your hearing is instantly damaged at 140dBL without hearing protection. At 200m away the sound would be 108dBL
A suppressed AR15 is measured around 136dBL for a good quality can. At 200 meters the sound level would be measured at 88dBL. That's a little louder than standing beside a running lawnmower. Can you hear a lawnmower when you are standing beside it? That's how loud an AR15 shot suppressed from 200m away is. But... that is just the measurement of the muzzle blast. Any high powered rifle the bullet is supersonic and is propagating a supersonic shock wave (sonic boom) as is moves down range. That is the "crackling" sound you will hear down range. Again google search finds some testing that shows a bullet's supersonic shock wave will be in the range of 135+ dBA and there is nothing a suppressor will ever do to mask that sound signature. That is a 135dBA noise propagating down the lane of fire you that you should easily be able to hear unless you are deaf. -6dB per doubling of the distance away from the shock wave you are still over 100dBL when you are over 56M away from where the bullet passes by. That shock wave noise level is constant until you hit about 1300fps then it starts dropping off quickly. Plugging numbers into my ballistics calculator, standard XM193 556 ball ammo will not drop down to that velocity level until you hit the 600 yard range.
Posted on 10/3/17 at 3:46 pm to DeoreDX
That's an impressive breakdown. . Anyone who has shot a suppressed AR15 would know that shots would still be heard. Politicians don't want to hear facts though. Whatever helps their votes.
I was speaking with a friend this weekend about this bill. He thought a suppressed firearm sounding like the pew pew in the James Bond movies. Some people are just misinformed as well.
I was speaking with a friend this weekend about this bill. He thought a suppressed firearm sounding like the pew pew in the James Bond movies. Some people are just misinformed as well.
Posted on 10/3/17 at 3:54 pm to Jester
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I wish the snakes would just be honest about what all of their bills due
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I will never support it because calling it the Hearing Protection Act is fricking dumb.
Hearing Protection Act makes a lot more sense for this bill than the name for the bill known as the Affordable Care Act
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