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How much would single payer cost?
Posted on 9/22/17 at 6:40 am
Posted on 9/22/17 at 6:40 am
How much extra would we have to pay in taxes for government run health insurance? I've seen anywhere from 6-10% extra for high income earners. Right now I pay ~$400 per month through my employer for a family plan. If you have a household income of $250k that means you would be paying ~$15k-$25k a year for awful service provided by the federal government. It's hard to believe that they would propose this but the money has to come from somewhere and it can only be from those that earn more. Why should this be supported?
Posted on 9/22/17 at 6:42 am to TitleistProV1X
Without strict boarders and reduced immigration, it would cost "too much" in year one and even more every year moving forward
Posted on 9/22/17 at 6:43 am to TitleistProV1X
They are crazy...every other country's service sucks
Posted on 9/22/17 at 6:43 am to TitleistProV1X
Profit is the key element.
Usa md makes twice what the euro md makes.
Usa md makes twice what the euro md makes.
Posted on 9/22/17 at 6:44 am to CelticDog
Good. They should make more.
Posted on 9/22/17 at 6:46 am to TitleistProV1X
Negotiate bulk purchase of meds for medicaid.
My eye drops $475 for a 6 week supply in usa public.
I pay
$80 for 3 months supply.
My eye drops $475 for a 6 week supply in usa public.
I pay
$80 for 3 months supply.
Posted on 9/22/17 at 6:48 am to TitleistProV1X
I'm more concerned about the poor care provided in a single payer system. I lived in the U.K. for 3yrs under their single payer system. The care and treatment a available is of a lower standard than what we find in the US. You also had to wait weeks or months or basic services.
I'm willing to pay more for the quality of care and medical advancements we receive in the US.
I'm willing to pay more for the quality of care and medical advancements we receive in the US.
Posted on 9/22/17 at 6:50 am to CelticDog
Who do you think is in the way of that, and how do you think they ffight it?
Posted on 9/22/17 at 6:54 am to TitleistProV1X
quote:Cost would run north of $2 trillion/year.
I've seen anywhere from 6-10% extra for high income earners.
Current individual income tax revenue is $1.65 trillion.
So income tax revenue overall would need to increase >200%, perhaps as much as 250%. Insofar as "high income earners" share of that, you do the math.
Posted on 9/22/17 at 6:56 am to TitleistProV1X
I'd like to do a comparison. What's the cost of the proposed plan?
Posted on 9/22/17 at 6:56 am to NC_Tigah
Obviously your numbers are fake.
No such budget would pass.
No such budget would pass.
Posted on 9/22/17 at 6:57 am to NC_Tigah
You base numbers on current costs.
Cost is the secret.
Profit.
Cost is the secret.
Profit.
Posted on 9/22/17 at 6:57 am to NC_Tigah
The same as single payer for cars, or houses, or food.
Posted on 9/22/17 at 7:00 am to CelticDog
quote:
You base numbers on current costs.
Cost is the secret.
Profit.
Yep. This is what it always comes down to with y'all.
"That other person that isn't me makes too much money. Take some of it."
Posted on 9/22/17 at 7:06 am to CelticDog
quote:
You base numbers on current costs.
Cost is the secret.
Profit
The best thing about liberals is that they seem to think cost is etched in stone. Therefore, they only see profit as "extra"
This, despite evidence since forever that this is a false view.
They literally have no idea what causes profits
Posted on 9/22/17 at 7:09 am to CelticDog
quote:
Obviously your numbers are fake.
No such budget would pass.
LA TIMES -$400 Billion annually
bullshite
California determined it would cost them $400 billion a year for their 12 or 13% of the population.
8 times that is over $3 trillion a year.
They were going to pass it this year until they found out how much it would cost.
Posted on 9/22/17 at 7:09 am to TitleistProV1X
All single payer will do is elevate 20% of the US population up and bring down the other 80%.
Then you will see a surge of private care facilities where those that can afford to pay their taxes and pay for better access/care (similar to the private school system)
Right now the us pay about 17-20% ( 20% GDP by 2025of our GDP on health care.
Right now we pay as a country 26% of our GDP in taxes. so if this is proportional, then you will pay another 75-80% more in taxes to fund single payer if current costs = single payer costs. But with "Free" access to health care you either see more straining the system, or the system slows down and has delays....unless you spend even more for personnel and facilities.
Not to mention, the sheer inefficiency/corruption losses trying to run a government program on this scale. 1/5 (and growing) of GDP now run 100% by one source....
Then you will see a surge of private care facilities where those that can afford to pay their taxes and pay for better access/care (similar to the private school system)
Right now the us pay about 17-20% ( 20% GDP by 2025of our GDP on health care.
Right now we pay as a country 26% of our GDP in taxes. so if this is proportional, then you will pay another 75-80% more in taxes to fund single payer if current costs = single payer costs. But with "Free" access to health care you either see more straining the system, or the system slows down and has delays....unless you spend even more for personnel and facilities.
Not to mention, the sheer inefficiency/corruption losses trying to run a government program on this scale. 1/5 (and growing) of GDP now run 100% by one source....
Posted on 9/22/17 at 7:25 am to CelticDog
quote:FALSE!
Usa md makes twice what the euro md makes.
Everytime you've posted that garbage, I've linked sources correcting you.
At this point, you are simply lying
Posted on 9/22/17 at 7:30 am to NC_Tigah
He's almost as bad as BamaSJW
Posted on 9/22/17 at 7:35 am to TitleistProV1X
In sum, it would be about a wash.
Shifting the money from premiums to taxes makes the taxes look big and scary, but you guys always forget to mention that you'd no longer be paying premiums.
Shifting the money from premiums to taxes makes the taxes look big and scary, but you guys always forget to mention that you'd no longer be paying premiums.
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