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re: Evidence of advanced ancient technology at ancient Wari ruins?
Posted on 9/8/17 at 3:46 pm to DawgfaninCa
Posted on 9/8/17 at 3:46 pm to DawgfaninCa
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However, anyone who is so sure it was done by ordinary tools and technology they had at the time and by some ordinary method should be able to state what ordinary tools and technology they used to bore those perfect holes and "conduits" in hard rock and what was their purpose.
Your problem is you're only halfway curious. Curious enough to watch/read this stuff and be amazed, but not curious enough to follow through and look for answers to obvious questions. I'm not telling you not to enjoy this stuff, I know I do, but don't act like the skeptics are the ones standing on shaky ground, you should be more skeptical yourself. Seriously, these shows are intellectually dishonest for the purpose of entertainment.
This post was edited on 9/8/17 at 3:48 pm
Posted on 9/8/17 at 3:49 pm to foshizzle
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How do you know they didn't come from another dimension?
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Because you don't need something wacky to explain what's observed. All the maybe's in the world don't change that.
Using Occam's Razor to explain what's observed doesn't prove that the most likely explanation is the correct explanation.
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FWIW the Sumerians from around 3000 BC wrote complex financial contracts, including the equivalent of today's call options, business loans, etc. The Romans conducted financial audits. We know this because the documents survived.
You do know the Sumerians recorded that gods came down from above and created the first human beings, don't you?
Posted on 9/8/17 at 3:54 pm to DawgfaninCa
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I never said or implied that. In fact, I haven't said that I believe it was done by aliens. It could have been done by an unknown ancient civilization that was from Earth.
However, anyone who is so sure it was done by ordinary tools and technology they had at the time and by some ordinary method should be able to state what ordinary tools and technology they used to bore those perfect holes and "conduits" in hard rock and what was their purpose.
You're trying to have it both ways. You imply that these things are done by aliens then when someone refutes it you say you weren't implying it then you say they have to prove everything and if they don't then your implied alternate theory is correct or more viable than theirs.
Your pseudo-intellectualism always cracks me up, gramps.
Posted on 9/8/17 at 4:36 pm to TigerinATL
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Your problem is you're only halfway curious. Curious enough to watch/read this stuff and be amazed, but not curious enough to follow through and look for answers to obvious questions.
Your problem is that you assume too much and don't know what you are talking about.
I've studied subjects like this all of my life and have read many books which also discuss the possible ordinary tools, technology and methods that were available at the time which could have been used.
However, when the so-called scientific community and pseudo-scientific skeptics use Occam's Razor as the only explanation for objects like those found at the Wari ruins then I question their explanation because I know the most likely explanation is not automatically the correct explanation.
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I'm not telling you not to enjoy this stuff, I know I do, but don't act like the skeptics are the ones standing on shaky ground, you should be more skeptical yourself.
There you go assuming things about me again.
I am very skeptical about extraordinary claims just like every other "normal" person.
It is only when I see some evidence that convinces me there is some validity to the extraordinary claim that I begin to think "outside the box".
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Seriously, these shows are intellectually dishonest for the purpose of entertainment.
You are talking to the choir.
On August 1, 2005 National Geographic Channel aired a TV program entitled, "Is it real? Monsters of the Deep" in which NG was intellectually dishonest about my brother's and my video and attempted to ridicule Dr. Edward Bousfield because he believed sea serpents exist and that our video shows images of several sea serpents.
Posted on 9/8/17 at 4:46 pm to DawgfaninCa
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I am very skeptical about extraordinary claims just like every other "normal" person.
I have made 2 posts in this thread with both logical supposition and evidence based explanations on how ancient humans both could have and actually did do some of the "beyond their ability" work illustrated in the OP. You commented on neither, in fact after they were made you posted this.
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Using Occam's Razor to explain what's observed doesn't prove that the most likely explanation is the correct explanation.
You say I assume too much about you, but I think you've given me pretty good reason to be skeptical of your skepticism.
Posted on 9/8/17 at 4:47 pm to upgrayedd
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I never said or implied that. In fact, I haven't said that I believe it was done by aliens. It could have been done by an unknown ancient civilization that was from Earth.
However, anyone who is so sure it was done by ordinary tools and technology they had at the time and by some ordinary method should be able to state what ordinary tools and technology they used to bore those perfect holes and "conduits" in hard rock and what was their purpose.
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You're trying to have it both ways. You imply that these things are done by aliens then when someone refutes it you say you weren't implying it...
Meh, just because I suggest all of the possible explanations including aliens (unlike the so-called scientific community and pseudo-scientific skeptics), that doesn't mean I am implying it was done by aliens.
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then you say they have to prove everything and if they don't then your implied alternate theory is correct or more viable than theirs.
Nonsense.
I just expect someone who is so certain that there is no other possible explanation except the most likely ordinary explanation to explain how it was done by that most likely ordinary explanation.
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Your pseudo-intellectualism always cracks me up, gramps.
Pseudo-scientific skeptics like you bore me.
Posted on 9/8/17 at 5:01 pm to TigerinATL
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I am very skeptical about extraordinary claims just like every other "normal" person.
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I have made 2 posts in this thread with both logical supposition and evidence based explanations on how ancient humans both could have and actually did do some of the "beyond their ability" work illustrated in the OP. You commented on neither, in fact after they were made you posted this.
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Using Occam's Razor to explain what's observed doesn't prove that the most likely explanation is the correct explanation.
If what I posted was to one or both of those posts you made then I did comment on what you posted.
Just because a pseudo-scientific skeptic says the correct explanation has to be the most likely ordinary explanation, that is not showing how it was done by the most likely ordinary explanation.
It is really just a cop-out to avoid discussing whether one of the other less likely explanations might be the correct explanation.
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You say I assume too much about you, but I think you've given me pretty good reason to be skeptical of your skepticism.
You may think I've given you pretty good reason to be skeptical of my skepticism but I know you are wrong as usual.
Posted on 9/8/17 at 5:02 pm to DawgfaninCa
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Maybe they decided to work with stones because it was all that was here to build stuff with at the time which they knew would last for millions of years.
If we ever visit another planet with the intent to colonize it then I'm sure we will look for natural resources on the planet that we can use rather than have to carry building material through space.
So we didn't have the same natural resources in 1000AD as we do now? Why would you think that?
Posted on 9/8/17 at 5:05 pm to HogBalls
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why these super intelligent beings able to travel millions of miles thru space landed here and worked with rocks.
yea but the rock are, like, magic bro
Posted on 9/8/17 at 5:10 pm to DawgfaninCa
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Pseudo-scientific skeptics like you bore me.
Stick to sea serpents, paw paw
Posted on 9/8/17 at 5:24 pm to TigerinATL
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Ancient Astronaut Theorists like to imply hammer and chisel level sophistication, but they had drills back in the day too. Here are pics from a Nova special recreating an ancient drill.
I have never heard anyone including Ancient Astronaut Theorists say that ancient Egyptian didn't have drills back in those days. In fact, it's been a well known fact that they did have drills ever since drilled beads were found in Egyptian tombs and other ruins.
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Besides cutting clean surfaces on their granite, the Egyptians also drilled cylindrical holes into their stones. A hole eight inches in diameter was found drilled in a granite block at the Temple of Karnak.
...Stocks was brought along to test his theories about how the cores were drilled. Inspired by a bow drill seen in an ancient Egyptian wall painting, Stocks designs a home-made bow drill. He wraps rope around a copper pipe that the Egyptians could have forged. Hopkins and Lehner then pull back and forth on the bow, which is weighted from above. The pipe spins in place, rubbing the sand, which etches a circle into the stone. With the assistance of the sand, the turning copper pipe succeeds in cutting a hole into the granite slab.
Did Hopkins and Lehner say how long it would take to drill a hole in granite using that method?
BTW, the two photos appear to be showing two different holes that were drilled in the granite.
One photo shows them actually trying to drill a hole that's a few inches in diameter but the other photo shows a hand of someone who is touching or rubbing the granite surface of a hole that appears to be a foot or more in diameter.
Are the two photos showing the same hole that Hopkins and Lehner made using that method of drilling?
This post was edited on 9/8/17 at 5:31 pm
Posted on 9/8/17 at 6:05 pm to upgrayedd
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Pseudo-scientific skeptics like you bore me.
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Stick to sea serpents, paw paw
Since I know sea serpents exist even though the scientific community says sea serpents don't exist then I am open to the possibility that other extraordinary claims might be true even though the scientific community says they are not true, junior.
Posted on 9/8/17 at 6:09 pm to TigerinATL
Posted on 9/8/17 at 6:33 pm to DawgfaninCa
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which ruled the region sometime between 500 to 1000 AD
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thousands of years ago?
You mean about 1000-1500 years, right? - not thousands.
Posted on 9/8/17 at 6:43 pm to DawgfaninCa
You know what those civilizations had? TIME! Mf time, man. If they weren't killing, fricking, sleeping, or eating they were building.
Posted on 9/8/17 at 7:23 pm to DawgfaninCa
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Since I know sea serpents exist even though the scientific community says sea serpents don't exist then I am open to the possibility that other extraordinary claims might be true even though the scientific community says they are not true, junior.
You just know creatures exist despite absolutely no scientific evidence other than your inconclusive grainy videos an photos. You sound like a solid source of knowledge.
Bigfoot is real and he rides on a unicorn. It's a fact and you can't prove me wrong because I saw it.
Posted on 9/8/17 at 7:28 pm to DawgfaninCa
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Saying aliens are my thing is your thing, isn't it?
Rooting for the Georgia Bulldogs is my thing.
That's a sad life, tbh
Posted on 9/8/17 at 7:30 pm to Rossberg02
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You know what those civilizations had? TIME! Mf time, man. If they weren't killing, fricking, sleeping, or eating they were building.
They had the coca leaf as well.
Posted on 9/8/17 at 7:32 pm to DawgfaninCa
Time and pressure my negros.
Time and pressure.
Time and pressure.
This post was edited on 9/8/17 at 7:33 pm
Posted on 9/8/17 at 8:07 pm to upgrayedd
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You just know creatures exist despite absolutely no scientific evidence other than your inconclusive grainy videos an photos.
Meh, I know sea serpents exist and it has nothing to do with my videos and photos.
I know sea serpents exist because on February 5, 1985 my brother and I had a close definitive sighting of one that exposed its entire body except for its tail above the surface of the water only 20 yards away from us.
That may not be enough proof for you or anyone else to know that sea serpents exist but it sure as hell is enough proof for me to know that sea serpents exist.
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