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re: Ruby Ridge? Did the US Government Do the Right Thing?

Posted on 4/28/17 at 7:06 am to
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 4/28/17 at 7:06 am to
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One of those is Ruby Ridge.


What forced their hand on escalating the siege?

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Looking at this event, I can't decide who was right.


Weaver is no saint. These folks rarely are (see the Bundys). But, he was singled out, targeted, then made an example of (under a Republican administration, I will be quick to point out, just as Waco was initiated under that same president.)

And the consequences are horrific when you think back to how things went down. It was the "preview" for Waco. As far as Waco, again, Koresh was no saint either, but the feds hamfisted (IMHO) efforts resulted in a horrific loss of life - their own and innocent children. And so easily avoidable if rational heads had prevailed.
This post was edited on 4/28/17 at 7:07 am
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
150720 posts
Posted on 4/28/17 at 7:07 am to
Ruby Ridge was wrong in so many ways.

Waco was surreal wrong...

Posted by GetCocky11
Calgary, AB
Member since Oct 2012
51970 posts
Posted on 4/28/17 at 7:12 am to
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Did the US Government Do the Right Thing?


No, they screwed up.

Weaver failed to appear, so the Marshals had a right to go get him and bring him in. However, the response was so over the top heavy handed. Very wrong.
Posted by Mid Iowa Tiger
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Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 4/28/17 at 7:38 am to
Are you seriously asking if the Feds did the right thing shooting a woman while she help her baby?

Or are you asking if it was the right thing when a 14 year old boy got shot and died?

Or are you asking if it was the right thing because this was done against white conservatives and not a black family?

All of this shite went down in the first couple of days if memory serves me right. Also, in the end Randy Weaver (who I have met when I lived in Iowa - he lives in a small town there) and I think everyone else ended up with acquittals on everything that happened except the original failure to appear.

No the government did not do the right thing.

Posted by Navytiger74
Member since Oct 2009
50458 posts
Posted on 4/28/17 at 7:58 am to
I think there's a general consensus that, operationally, it was a shitshow.
Posted by Scoop
RIP Scoop
Member since Sep 2005
44583 posts
Posted on 4/28/17 at 9:34 am to
The barrel was only 1/4" shorter than legal.

The government paid them $3.1 million.

There ya go.
Posted by Crimson Wraith
Member since Jan 2014
26325 posts
Posted on 4/28/17 at 5:01 pm to
Waco and Ruby Ridge, brought to you by Bubba Clinton.
Posted by MC5601
Tyler, Texas
Member since Jan 2010
4004 posts
Posted on 4/28/17 at 6:15 pm to
AKA you just watched the Oklahoma City documentary on Netflix.
Posted by AUstar
Member since Dec 2012
17700 posts
Posted on 4/28/17 at 7:02 pm to
Randy Weaver's daughter speaks about the incident: LINK

Basically, she rehashes a lot of what we already know. The FBI killed their dog first. This pissed off her dad, Randy, who told his son to fire back. So he did (no one was hit). From there the stand-off and escalation happened.

Randy himself was a former Special Forces operator and a white separatist. He was one of those apocalyptic people who believed the New World Order was going to form at any time and take over America. A white supremacist group tried to recruit him (a bunch of those guys in Idaho) but he refused to join.

While a bit kooky, he moved out in the middle of nowhere Idaho to be left alone.
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
65722 posts
Posted on 4/28/17 at 8:14 pm to
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Feds prob screwed up
by a nose.
Posted by Strannix
District 11
Member since Dec 2012
49575 posts
Posted on 4/28/17 at 9:27 pm to
Seriously, incredible criminal actions by the fed who initiated the entire thing from the entrapment to murdering the children
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