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Why is Holiday at anything over $20 million so unpalatable?
Posted on 3/29/17 at 7:38 pm
Posted on 3/29/17 at 7:38 pm
The reason I ask is because in the first quarter of this game he already has 2 blocks and has successfully defended Dirk and Noel on switches. I don't think you want Holiday playing SF/PF on defense, but he usually handles himself exceptionally well when he has to switch on to SF/PFs.
I think most of us would be happy if we could trade Hill for Otto Porter Jr. who will likely also get more than $20 million net year. Both Porter and Holiday are multi-position defenders that can score 15 a game. I know there's a premium on SF over SG because you need someone to defend LeBron/Kawhi/etc. but is a lineup with Holiday/Hill that much different than say Moore/Porter?
I think most of us would be happy if we could trade Hill for Otto Porter Jr. who will likely also get more than $20 million net year. Both Porter and Holiday are multi-position defenders that can score 15 a game. I know there's a premium on SF over SG because you need someone to defend LeBron/Kawhi/etc. but is a lineup with Holiday/Hill that much different than say Moore/Porter?
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Posted on 3/29/17 at 7:39 pm to TigerinATL
Holiday should be kept. There is no way the franchise will let him leave.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 7:41 pm to TigerinATL
quote:
Moore/Porter
Haha some people on this board would then say we were going to bring in Booker at SG to pair with Porter.
This post was edited on 3/29/17 at 7:43 pm
Posted on 3/29/17 at 8:12 pm to TigerinATL
I don't care. It's not my money (well, I guess the tickets i buy accoun5 for a tiny %, but I'm not paying him or signing his checks)...
Posted on 3/29/17 at 9:03 pm to TigerinATL
Holiday/Hill is a better lineup than Moore/Porter
some doubts about Holiday at 25-30M/annually, but i think you're right about looking at him as a wing more than PG. that makes a difference
Porter at the same price on this team (w/o a Wall (or even a Holiday) to find him and a Beal to draw attention) doesn't seem like a great fit. not too sure he's got the game to create for himself.
maybe Moore/Porter if they believe Davis and Cousins are ready to make a leap as playmakers, but they would still be lacking off the bounce juice they would likely need for spring basketball
some doubts about Holiday at 25-30M/annually, but i think you're right about looking at him as a wing more than PG. that makes a difference
Porter at the same price on this team (w/o a Wall (or even a Holiday) to find him and a Beal to draw attention) doesn't seem like a great fit. not too sure he's got the game to create for himself.
maybe Moore/Porter if they believe Davis and Cousins are ready to make a leap as playmakers, but they would still be lacking off the bounce juice they would likely need for spring basketball
Posted on 3/29/17 at 9:28 pm to TigerinATL
quote:1. Not factoring in the new cap
Why is Holiday at anything over $20 million so unpalatable?
2. His defense can't be seen in a boxscore
Posted on 3/29/17 at 9:41 pm to TigerinATL
its not. He will at least get that money (deservedly so), but shouldn't get max player money (although I actually think someone will offer that to him). Holiday's versatility at PG/SG on offense and defensive skills to guard three positions make him an asset on most teams.
I'm just hoping he/Cousins/AD work together this offseason shave a couple mil between the 3 of them to keep the cap down (I can hope right?)
I'm just hoping he/Cousins/AD work together this offseason shave a couple mil between the 3 of them to keep the cap down (I can hope right?)
This post was edited on 3/29/17 at 10:16 pm
Posted on 3/29/17 at 9:46 pm to TigerinATL
Agreed. Though, even being one of the biggest pro-Jrue posters here, I had some doubts about him during that awful stretch. He was legit terrible, and it lasted a bit longer than a typical drought. Plus he's too passive, and I don't think that will ever change. But he's looking VERY healthy (he's been dunking like once every 3 games, WATCH OUT VINCE CARTER) and his shot has returned. His defense was pretty great for stretches tonight, and I really think that he can defend most SF's in the NBA. But like you said, players that defend 3's frequently have to switch onto 4's.
This post was edited on 3/29/17 at 10:04 pm
Posted on 3/29/17 at 10:15 pm to TigerinATL
If Holiday is a SG he's respected much more than if he's a PG. Holiday is a top 5-10 SG, probably closer to 5 than 10.
Posted on 3/31/17 at 7:19 pm to TigerinATL
Personally I would like to see us sign a real starting PG, bring Jrue off the bench with the 2nd unit when Cousins sits, then use him in our best lineup playing off the ball w/ Cousins and AD.
New PG
Moore
Hill
AD
Cousins
Jrue
Moore
Hill
Small Ball PF (Cunningham-ish)
AD
Finishing lineup of
New PG
Jrue
Hill
AD
Cousins
Of course the Moore/Cunningham/Hill trio could be interchangeable with different players, but I love the idea of staggering the bigs, Jrue running the point with the small ball, switch everything 2nd unit, then him playing off the ball with our best lineup next to a real PG.
The key is finding the right PG. Assuming we can't pry a top 15 PG away from anyone, I honestly would love the idea of a guy like Rubio, who could get the ball to Cousins and Davis in the perfect spots because he's such a great passer. He's also a plus defender, but unfortunately can't shoot a lick. That starting SG (Moore) position would have to upgraded greatly for that to work.
New PG
Moore
Hill
AD
Cousins
Jrue
Moore
Hill
Small Ball PF (Cunningham-ish)
AD
Finishing lineup of
New PG
Jrue
Hill
AD
Cousins
Of course the Moore/Cunningham/Hill trio could be interchangeable with different players, but I love the idea of staggering the bigs, Jrue running the point with the small ball, switch everything 2nd unit, then him playing off the ball with our best lineup next to a real PG.
The key is finding the right PG. Assuming we can't pry a top 15 PG away from anyone, I honestly would love the idea of a guy like Rubio, who could get the ball to Cousins and Davis in the perfect spots because he's such a great passer. He's also a plus defender, but unfortunately can't shoot a lick. That starting SG (Moore) position would have to upgraded greatly for that to work.
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