Moral standards are different. My moral standard is based on a Biblical worldview where doing good to others is promoted. By my standard, there is moral degradation in our culture.

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This was happening long before Christianity began its decline.

There are always going to be people that believe the government should be involved in doing more than they should in society. My statement was in regards to the perceived need of government to be more involved as a social safety net as the role of supporting the needy is removed from the citizenry (through charities and churches).

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Christians can't even be bothered to do this, yet you expect others to do it?

Christians are sinners, too. Those who hate Christ are looking to point out the sins of Christians to justify their own lack of faith. However, regardless of Christians being sinners, they still do tend to take care of others and view themselves more as servants which is not the general attitude of the secular world.

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Not true. Many just don't want your imaginary authority dictating how they live their lives.

That's my point so thank you for agreeing. As people reject the moral authority of God, they substitute their own. Apparently we disagree with the motivations of the godless, but my observation is that people want to be free to do whatever makes themselves happy (what makes them feel good), which is a very selfish motivation and the opposite of the Christian worldview. I believe this is why we have a growing number of people demanding the right to not be offended.

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Still a positive. You've posted nothing to refute that.

Still a negative. Obviously we aren't going to agree on what is "good" and what is "bad" for society based on our competing worldviews. I believe what we have seen in the last century is a rejection of the authority of God and His revealed will and an embrace of the autonomy of man who refuses to bend the knee to God. This is nothing new as the Bible speaks to this very thing from 2,000 years ago. The result, though, is increased selfishness in society and approval of activities that are destructive to individuals as well as society as a whole in the name of autonomy.

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Posted by DisplacedBuckeye

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Posted on 3/20/17 at 12:50 pm to FooManChoo

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Moral standards are different.

So? Medical standards are different. That doesn't mean we've seen degradation.

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My moral standard is based on a Biblical worldview where doing good to others is promoted.

Well, it's a cherry-picked worldview that happens to align to what is currently acceptable in society.

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By my standard, there is moral degradation in our culture.

Right. So your opinion.

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There are always going to be people that believe the government should be involved in doing more than they should in society. My statement was in regards to the perceived need of government to be more involved as a social safety net as the role of supporting the needy is removed from the citizenry (through charities and churches).

Cool, and that was still happening long before the decline of Christianity. It's an irrelevant point.

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Those who hate Christ are looking to point out the sins of Christians to justify their own lack of faith.

It isn't about justification, and there's none necessary.

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which is not the general attitude of the secular world

That's complete bullshite. Many secularists are also humnanists, who I'd argue care much more about taking care of people than many Christians.

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As people reject the moral authority of God, they substitute their own.

Incorrect. We inject what we as a society find acceptable based on knowledge, experience, goals, etc.

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selfish motivation

This is a large part of your postion and your ideas. You operate under the assumption that anything done without your god as a driver is done for purely selfish reasons. Pretending that secularists don't care about anyone but themselves is ignorant.