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re: Switching to vegetarian diet
Posted on 1/7/17 at 5:03 pm to Twenty 49
Posted on 1/7/17 at 5:03 pm to Twenty 49
You can downvote all you want, but what I stated is true. Read the China study.
I'm not judgemental on people's diet choices. I used to think vegan/veggie ppl were crazy but after reading and watching documentaries I see the positives of it.
I'm not judgemental on people's diet choices. I used to think vegan/veggie ppl were crazy but after reading and watching documentaries I see the positives of it.
Posted on 1/7/17 at 5:06 pm to Twenty 49
Probably because of the dogma out there about how "healthy" it is. It sure is better than the SAD, that is why people initially feel better, but it lacks certain nutrients that are essential to humans.
Posted on 1/7/17 at 5:09 pm to Junky
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But, you do NOT get all of the proteins from plants alone.
You have no idea what you are talking about.
Posted on 1/7/17 at 5:25 pm to tke_swamprat
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Read the China study
Read on why that was a terrible study
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The premise is that all animal foods—ranging from Chicken McNuggets to a fillet of wild-caught salmon—are responsible for modern ailments like heart disease and cancer.
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As we’ll see in this article, the book’s most widely repeated claims, particularly involving Campbell’s cancer research and the results of the China-Cornell-Oxford Project, are victims of selection bias, cherry picking, and woefully misrepresented data
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If there’s anything positive to take away from the book’s four hundred seventeen pages, it’s the promotion of a whole-food diet—and the resulting elimination of vegetable oils, high fructose corn syrup, refined grains, and other industrial products that tend to displace real food on our modern menus. But for those seeking scientific literature of a higher caliber, The Psychology of the Simpsons is likely to be a more satisfying (and animal-product-friendly) read.
Rats does not = humans
Posted on 1/7/17 at 5:40 pm to mouton
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You have no idea what you are talking about.
Conclusion
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Conclusion The low dietary intake of protein and sulfur amino acids by a plant-eating population leads to subclinical protein malnutrition, explaining the origin of hyperhomocysteinemia and the increased vulnerability of these vegetarian subjects to cardiovascular diseases.
I mean. I could find more, but I'm a bit busy.
Posted on 1/7/17 at 9:27 pm to genuineLSUtiger
Bittman's How to cook Everything Vegetarian is really good. Just real food, cooked well. None of the gimicky fake meat crap.
Posted on 1/7/17 at 10:45 pm to Junky
Where does what you quoted say you can not get all the protein you need from plants alone?
This post was edited on 1/7/17 at 10:46 pm
Posted on 1/8/17 at 9:27 am to mouton
What part of
quote:didnt you read?
The low dietary intake of protein and sulfur amino acids by a plant-eating population leads to subclinical protein malnutrition
Posted on 1/8/17 at 9:35 am to genuineLSUtiger
Curious if anyone here recommends eating meat every day? I've seen fitness sites recommend eating your body weight in grams of protein per day.
I know today doesn't have any meat on the menu at my house.
I know today doesn't have any meat on the menu at my house.
Posted on 1/8/17 at 10:01 am to StringedInstruments
Look up a few posts, Junky claims you can get 100% of everything you need from nothing but meat. Amazing to me when someone asks about a vegetarian diet; someone always has to come in yapping about meat for some reason. It's almost as if it's to make themselves feel better, I've never understood it.
I support Junkys right to eat as much meat as he wants. But I think it's pretty silly to claim you need nothing else
Can y'all imagine if I went to into every steak thread and blabbed about vegetarianism...
I support Junkys right to eat as much meat as he wants. But I think it's pretty silly to claim you need nothing else
Can y'all imagine if I went to into every steak thread and blabbed about vegetarianism...
quote:youll be fine
I know today doesn't have any meat on the menu at my hous
This post was edited on 1/8/17 at 10:03 am
Posted on 1/8/17 at 12:12 pm to emboslice
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The low dietary intake of protein and sulfur amino acids by a plant-eating population leads to subclinical protein malnutrition
Daily recommendation is roughly 60g per day. Between beans and nuts alone you can get that. Plus the little that is in veggies. So that statement is actually false.
Posted on 1/9/17 at 12:01 am to emboslice
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I support Junkys right to eat as much meat as he wants. But I think it's pretty silly to claim you need nothing else
The study was done...published in 1930]
What would happen?
Nothing happened when they ate enough fat, preventing scurvy
It isn't a "claim" when it is backed up by science, but I'm the one "yapping"
This post was edited on 1/9/17 at 12:16 am
Posted on 1/9/17 at 1:03 am to tke_swamprat
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Daily recommendation is roughly 60g per day. Between beans and nuts alone you can get that. Plus the little that is in veggies. So that statement is actually false.
Did you read it?
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Body weight, body mass index, blood, and urinary markers of protein status were significantly lower, with an estimated 10% decrease of lean body mass in the study group compared with urban controls.
LINK
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In general, human bodies don’t work very efficiently without a regular dietary supply of all essential amino acids: “It would be difficult to find a protein that did not have at least one residue of each of the common 20 amino acids. Half of these amino acids are essential, and if the diet is lacking or low in even one of these essential amino acids, then protein synthesis is not possible” [Emphasis mine; reference: Campbell & Farrell’s Biochemistry, 6th edition]. Protein synthesis allows us to grow, heal, reproduce, and function in general. One of the specific outcomes of protein deficiency in humans is stunting, i.e. where humans who would otherwise grow bigger, don’t.
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Dr. Furhman seems to think that those of us who “believe” that food from animals provides a more biologically complete source of protein than food from plants “never thought too much about how a rhinoceros, hippopotamus, gorilla, giraffe, or elephant became so big eating only vegetables.” Hmmm. I have to say, I’m thinking the same thing about Dr. Furhman. Maybe he is unaware that humans aren’t really all that much like rhinoceroses, hippos, gorillas, giraffes, or elephants. But then maybe he just hangs out with a different crowd than I do.
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Humans and other large mammals ARE different.
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While non-ruminants (like humans) must get their essential amino acids from their diet, ruminants (like giraffes) “may also acquire substantial amounts of these amino acids through the digestion of microbial protein synthesized in the rumen” (see: Amino Acids in Animal Nutrition, edited by J.P. Felix D’Mello). This may come as a bit of a shock to Dr. Furhman and his readership, but humans don’t actually have rumens and utilizing this particular approach to the acquisition of essential amino acids from plant matter ain’t gonna work for us.
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Other non-ruminant grazers—see elephants, rhinos, and hippos—have a different eating strategy. They “eat for volume and low extraction.” In other words, the relatively low availability of protein in the food is overcome by the high volume consumed. In that regard—assuming you aspire to an elephant-like, rhino-like, or hippo-like bod—it may be possible to get sufficient protein from a strictly plant-based diet. If you don’t mind eating all the time. And pooping. Less than half of what is consumed by the high-volume grazers is utilized by the body; the rest—like a handsome stranger—is just passin’ through (see: Nutritional Ecology of the Ruminant, by Peter J. van Soest).
Posted on 1/9/17 at 9:55 am to genuineLSUtiger
we occasionally give up meat for lent, or just want to find new ways to use stuff from the garden. this book has been great, "World vegetarian" by Madhur Jaffery
LINK
LINK
Posted on 1/9/17 at 10:33 am to Junky
Even cavemen ate more than just meat.
Where is the benefit in excluding veggies by doing an all meat diet?
Where is the benefit in excluding veggies by doing an all meat diet?
Posted on 1/9/17 at 12:24 pm to genuineLSUtiger
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Any suggestions, books, websites? I love meat and am not sure if I can keep this up long term but I read so much about how much better you feel not eating meat and sticking to a more natural, unprocessed diet. Has anyone here successfully switched over and, if so, how do you feel about it?
I think you may be trolling but I will bite.
Google Dr. MacDougall
Google Rip Essylstein (sp?) His father as well is a cardiologist or thoracic surgeon.
They are hard core Vegan. MacDougall eats turkey on holidays or some shite just to not "label" himself a Vegan and get into that argument.
Anyway, I know you said vegetarian, but their books will show healthy meatless protein substitutes. Then if you want to throw in good lean meats, go for it. Do you know how good a grass fed burger tastes after a couple of weeks with no meat?
I did it for 6 months. Lost weight. Felt great. But cheese is delicious. And the occasional cheat meal became more and more.
People will bash EVERY word I type, but for every Vegan or Vegetarian expert there is a meat eating or Keto expert. They all wrote books, They all cite reputable sources.
Posted on 1/9/17 at 12:27 pm to thibtigerfan
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Even cavemen ate more than just meat.
Where is the benefit in excluding veggies by doing an all meat diet?
It tricks the body into losing weight. Makes a person near cachetic. Overall it can't possibly be sustainable. Who wants to eat steak wrapped chicken all the time.
Posted on 1/9/17 at 12:31 pm to Junky
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What part of quote: The low dietary intake of protein and sulfur amino acids by a plant-eating population leads to subclinical protein malnutrition didnt you read?
Are you fricking stupid? This in no way says you can not get sufficient protein from a plant based diet. Just because much of the plant eating population does not get enough protein does not mean you can not.
Posted on 1/9/17 at 12:49 pm to mouton
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Are you fricking stupid? This in no way says you can not get sufficient protein from a plant based diet. Just because much of the plant eating population does not get enough protein does not mean you can not.
He doesn't even "legume" man. Let it go...
Posted on 1/9/17 at 12:52 pm to Junky
It's fine, I really believe you that you/others feel healthy. As do I. I can google studies to back up pro-vegetarian diets as well, we could go back and forth all day if we cared.
The point is, this isn't a meat vs veg debate... As I said before, anyone that went into a steak thread talking about vegetarianism and dropping links would be seen as a troll. So that's just how I am going to see you in here.
You have your mind made, buddy. But keep in mind others are still trying to find the right fit for them... trial and error helps. We think you're really smart for knowing whatever you know ...congrats
eta: willing to bet you think not eating meat is extreme but don't think eating nothing but meat is extreme
The point is, this isn't a meat vs veg debate... As I said before, anyone that went into a steak thread talking about vegetarianism and dropping links would be seen as a troll. So that's just how I am going to see you in here.
You have your mind made, buddy. But keep in mind others are still trying to find the right fit for them... trial and error helps. We think you're really smart for knowing whatever you know ...congrats
eta: willing to bet you think not eating meat is extreme but don't think eating nothing but meat is extreme
This post was edited on 1/9/17 at 12:54 pm
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