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Is Harris Salvageable?
Posted on 9/4/16 at 10:28 am
Posted on 9/4/16 at 10:28 am
so it appears that we're having another QB regress/stagnate as he gets older while playing in the Les Miles offense
i still have hope that Harris could be a good QB under a good college offense, under the direction of a good offensive coordinator. i think he's completely salvageable (but it may be a little late b/c he only has 1 year left and Les/Cam have done nothing to really improve his opportunities on offense)
so let's just say magic happens and Harris ends up under an Urban Meyer, Tom Herman, Noel Mazzone, Kingsbury, Leach, Lincoln Riley, etc. would he be a successful QB in college? if he had been under these coaches for 3 years, would he be an elite college QB?
i honestly believe that Harris (just like all LSU QBs under this regime) are literally set up to fail
i still have hope that Harris could be a good QB under a good college offense, under the direction of a good offensive coordinator. i think he's completely salvageable (but it may be a little late b/c he only has 1 year left and Les/Cam have done nothing to really improve his opportunities on offense)
so let's just say magic happens and Harris ends up under an Urban Meyer, Tom Herman, Noel Mazzone, Kingsbury, Leach, Lincoln Riley, etc. would he be a successful QB in college? if he had been under these coaches for 3 years, would he be an elite college QB?
i honestly believe that Harris (just like all LSU QBs under this regime) are literally set up to fail
Posted on 9/4/16 at 10:30 am to SlowFlowPro
If the catchable balls are caught he throws for over 60 percent yesterday and the offense plays much better . Two interceptions he has to improve that aspect.
The answer is yes he is More than salvageable
The answer is yes he is More than salvageable
Posted on 9/4/16 at 10:31 am to SlowFlowPro
Hell No. Great kid all the power to him but he is not an SEC QB, shite I don't think he could go play for ULL and do better than Jennings did yesterday.
The dude cannot handle the game, he's too emotional to handle pressure and it showed yesterday. We need someone to stay calm out there. I don't even think staying calm will help his passing. He couldn't hit the short routes in freaking practice, much less a game.
What happens when Bama gets here and they have freaking 250lb LBers staring at him fixing to rip his head off? We saw it last year... 9 fricking yards of offense in the first half.
The dude cannot handle the game, he's too emotional to handle pressure and it showed yesterday. We need someone to stay calm out there. I don't even think staying calm will help his passing. He couldn't hit the short routes in freaking practice, much less a game.
What happens when Bama gets here and they have freaking 250lb LBers staring at him fixing to rip his head off? We saw it last year... 9 fricking yards of offense in the first half.
This post was edited on 9/4/16 at 10:33 am
Posted on 9/4/16 at 10:31 am to SlowFlowPro
Depends on how you define salvageable. Problem I see with Harris is his touch on the ball. He bazookas the short throws, but yesterday his long balls were floating (passes to the TE and Fournette especially). Hard to believe that even as inept as Miles & Co has been at developing QBs, that this is still an issue with him.
Posted on 9/4/16 at 10:31 am to SlowFlowPro
Offense might suck, but Harris is his own problem. He had chances last year vs Arky and OM, and yesterday failed when the play calling set him up to succeed.
He's done.
Modest talent; low IQ, and now zero confidence.
He's done.
Modest talent; low IQ, and now zero confidence.
Posted on 9/4/16 at 10:32 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Its downright insane to think otherwise.
i honestly believe that Harris (just like all LSU QBs under this regime) are literally set up to fail
How many highly recruited QBs have looked awful at LSU? How can a team like Ohio State go 3 deep and the 3rd string QB be picked in the fricking 4th round of the NFL draft, while LSU's 1st string QBs consistently play like some of the worst QBs in the nation?
Posted on 9/4/16 at 10:32 am to MadtownTiger
quote:
he's too emotional to handle pressure
if you mean pressure of actual defenders (and not psychological stuff), the OL absolutely failed him
no LSU QB would have done anything behind that line except maybe JR the God
Mett would have been TERRIBLE yesterday if given the same situations as Harris
Posted on 9/4/16 at 10:33 am to Pmtiger
quote:Which one was "catchable"?
If the catchable balls are caught he throws for over 60 percent
Posted on 9/4/16 at 10:33 am to MadtownTiger
He can't complete a pass from 15 yards away accurately. I would have thought that would be a requirement at this point. As a junior QB
Posted on 9/4/16 at 10:34 am to mmcgrath
quote:
Which one was "catchable"?
Malachi dropped a few balls he has to catch yesterday
yeah he had to jump to get it and there was a defender nearby, but he has to come down with those balls
Posted on 9/4/16 at 10:34 am to monsterballads
quote:
He can't complete a pass from 15 yards away accurately.
he can if he's given the opportunity. he pegged Desean on a great pass more than 15 years from his throw
Posted on 9/4/16 at 10:35 am to SlowFlowPro
I'm afraid not. During the loss-sealing pick, I felt a warm flush of sobering realization that he may not be mentally capable of performing at this level.
It pains me to type this because he seems like a great kid.
It pains me to type this because he seems like a great kid.
Posted on 9/4/16 at 10:36 am to mmcgrath
quote:
Is Harris Salvageable?
looking more and more like he doesn't have "it".
He has been given chances for success and had those chances yesterday and really did not get the job done
Posted on 9/4/16 at 10:36 am to BananaHammock
quote:
I'm afraid not. During the loss-sealing pick, I felt a warm flush of sobering realization that he may not be mentally capable of performing at this level.
why did you pick a play where his OL completely failed him and he had to roll against his throwing motion?
Posted on 9/4/16 at 10:36 am to SlowFlowPro
I still don't think Harris is "THE" problem.
After the entirety of the last 12 years, it is hard to blame him for his lack of development. It is all on the coaches.
That said, I think Les and Cam have ruined him and after yesterday he and the play calling will only regress further.
I would be in favor of giving Etling the next 2 games and see if his development at Purdue can protecting him from the QB killing effects of Les and Cam.
I think we should just redshirt Scott and not put him in a single game this year. Hopefully the new coach next year can develop him to his max potential. I think we can all agree Les and Cam would not help him at all.
After the entirety of the last 12 years, it is hard to blame him for his lack of development. It is all on the coaches.
That said, I think Les and Cam have ruined him and after yesterday he and the play calling will only regress further.
I would be in favor of giving Etling the next 2 games and see if his development at Purdue can protecting him from the QB killing effects of Les and Cam.
I think we should just redshirt Scott and not put him in a single game this year. Hopefully the new coach next year can develop him to his max potential. I think we can all agree Les and Cam would not help him at all.
Posted on 9/4/16 at 10:36 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:He was always a raw talent who needed to improve his accuracy. He simply hasn't done that in spite of getting tons of reps and going to special camps. He probably needs to sit for a few games and settle down. Maybe by the end of the year or next season.
Is Harris Salvageable?
No way he should start for a few games.
Posted on 9/4/16 at 10:37 am to SlowFlowPro
The next three weeks will tell us a lot about Harris and the rest of the team...
Posted on 9/4/16 at 10:38 am to SlowFlowPro
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he can if he's given the opportunity. he pegged Desean on a great pass more than 15 years from his throw
Dude that was a typical BH floater and Desean almost got destroyed if the DB was hadn't lost his feet for a split second. shite he got decleated pretty hard even then. Imagine if that was a LBer. DSmith would be out for the rest of his life, cause he would have been decapitated.
Posted on 9/4/16 at 10:38 am to SlowFlowPro
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why did you pick a play where his OL completely failed him and he had to roll against his throwing motion
He should have tucked it and run or thrown it out of bounds. Instead he threw it DIRECTLY to a defender.
Posted on 9/4/16 at 10:38 am to SlowFlowPro
I think absolutely with the proper system and good coaching. I do believe someone like Jimbo could come over and make him a very effective QB in his system. It's not a coincidence so many QBs are mediocre as hell in CFB but still able to field competent QBs regardless if they're putting QB3 on the field. No way is our scouting for QBs consistently this bad, it has to be on the coaches shoulders especially when you consider how good LSU recruits talent in every other position. The only constant is the system Miles runs and Miles himself. That's your explanation as to why our QBs suck every year. I don't know what else it takes for anyone who supports Miles to see he has been a problem for LSU since he came here. The only difference is it was a slow developing problem that finally hit rock bottom in the NC game and stayed that way since. He's not been able to develop any QB who has sat in his system from day 1. Jamarcus, Flynn and Mettenberger were all QBs who seen significant development prior to coming to Miles getting his hands on them.
As far as this season goes, he's done. No way will he recover mentally from that game yesterday. The only thing he's going to do from this point forward is regress because he'll be trying too hard.
As far as this season goes, he's done. No way will he recover mentally from that game yesterday. The only thing he's going to do from this point forward is regress because he'll be trying too hard.
This post was edited on 9/4/16 at 10:41 am
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