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re: California passes bill to begin $15 minimum wage.

Posted on 3/31/16 at 3:39 pm to
Posted by jennyjones
New Orleans Saints Fan
Member since Apr 2006
9499 posts
Posted on 3/31/16 at 3:39 pm to
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Not if the cost of living in Cali continues rising.


What I'm saying is that this increase will only speed up the rate that the California cost of living rises

Posted by tlsu15
Capital of Texas
Member since Aug 2011
10140 posts
Posted on 3/31/16 at 3:39 pm to
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I know this is very Utopian of me, but that should become a community issue. The community should put that person out of business on their own by voting with their dollar.


I simply don't trust that this would happen across the board, which is why I feel it's best to be mandated by law. This is the core of our disagreement
Posted by torrey225
Member since Mar 2015
1437 posts
Posted on 3/31/16 at 3:39 pm to
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The minimum wage protects the works. It isn't meant to be a "living wage" for a family, but it should be high enough to where a person living a very meager lifestyle can try to make ends meet.



FDR said "living wage".
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In my Inaugural I laid down the simple proposition that nobody is going to starve in this country. It seems to me to be equally plain that no business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to its workers has any right to continue in this country. By "business" I mean the whole of commerce as well as the whole of industry; by workers I mean all workers, the white collar class as well as the men in overalls; and by living wages I mean more than a bare subsistence level-I mean the wages of decent living.
Posted by tlsu15
Capital of Texas
Member since Aug 2011
10140 posts
Posted on 3/31/16 at 3:39 pm to
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What I'm saying is that this increase will only speed up the rate that the California cost of living rises


That I agree with.
Posted by tlsu15
Capital of Texas
Member since Aug 2011
10140 posts
Posted on 3/31/16 at 3:41 pm to
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In my Inaugural I laid down the simple proposition that nobody is going to starve in this country. It seems to me to be equally plain that no business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to its workers has any right to continue in this country. By "business" I mean the whole of commerce as well as the whole of industry; by workers I mean all workers, the white collar class as well as the men in overalls; and by living wages I mean more than a bare subsistence level-I mean the wages of decent living.


If Obama gave that same quote today, this board would need to be shut down


The definition of living wage today is also much different than it was 70 years ago because technology has changed so much.
Posted by Superior Pariah
Member since Jun 2009
8457 posts
Posted on 3/31/16 at 3:42 pm to
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bright side, maybe all the minimum wage earners in Louisiana will just move to Cali.


Yea, let's go even further and kick everyone out who isn't in the the oil field and making $70k+

We'll even include gays, millennials and John Bel Edwards as bonuses.

What could go wrong?
Posted by torrey225
Member since Mar 2015
1437 posts
Posted on 3/31/16 at 3:43 pm to
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If Obama gave that same quote today, this board would need to be shut down


The definition of living wage today is also much different than it was 70 years ago because technology has changed so much.


Well...How about adjust it with inflation at least?
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
67648 posts
Posted on 3/31/16 at 3:43 pm to
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Because communities that have higher levels of poverty also have higher rates of crime, substance abuse, teenage pregnancy, violence, and social unrest among other things. There is hard data to back up those claims.


so you are saying a poor community should just raise the min wage and they won't be poor anymore? I would love to know how that works business owners already must be struggling since their customers are poor now you want to raise their labor costs and what put them out of business?
Posted by tlsu15
Capital of Texas
Member since Aug 2011
10140 posts
Posted on 3/31/16 at 3:45 pm to
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so you are saying a poor community should just raise the min wage and they won't be poor anymore? I would love to know how that works business owners already must be struggling since their customers are poor now you want to raise their labor costs and what put them out of business?


Small increases don't have such drastic effects on the economy as a whole. Louisiana is talking about raising the minimum wage from $7.25 to around $8. Do you think that number would bring about the same consequences as going to $15?
Posted by NoHoTiger
So many to kill, so little time
Member since Nov 2006
45850 posts
Posted on 3/31/16 at 3:46 pm to
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It is nice that you have skills that are worth more in a field unrelated to your education and prior experience. I just hope you get enough personal satisfaction from using those skills that you won't regret not being able to use the skills of your education and prior experience, assuming they made you happy.

Meh...I use my skills every day, just in a different industry. I have my reasons for staying in my current field, with my current employer and even in my current job that are completely unrelated to the job or the pay offered.

Thank you for your concern
Posted by gatorrocks
Lake Mary, FL
Member since Oct 2007
13973 posts
Posted on 3/31/16 at 3:46 pm to
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Just another reason I don't go to California. How much will a Big Mac cost now?

Will be the same. Robots work cheap.
Posted by NoHoTiger
So many to kill, so little time
Member since Nov 2006
45850 posts
Posted on 3/31/16 at 3:47 pm to
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I wonder how many jobs that will cost the workforce

a metric frick ton But it may not all be bad. My sister ordered a chicken sandwich today and got back with a hamburger. Here's hoping the cyborg's notice the difference.
Posted by Mung
NorCal
Member since Aug 2007
9054 posts
Posted on 3/31/16 at 3:48 pm to
I'm asking Chicken to start a "Let's bitch about California" board. Each post would start with " I don't live there, never been there, don't work there, nor vacation there, but this sucks abt Cali..."

See you in May BB so you can experience the pain of the hellhole that is CA.

I think at least 10% of OT covers this. If we added an " Is this trashy?" Board it would take another 25%.
Posted by Ostrich
Alexandria, VA
Member since Nov 2011
9009 posts
Posted on 3/31/16 at 3:49 pm to
States rights are a beautiful thing. Attention to all businesses in CA: Texas welcomes you
Posted by NoHoTiger
So many to kill, so little time
Member since Nov 2006
45850 posts
Posted on 3/31/16 at 3:49 pm to
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We'll even include gays,

we'll take them
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millennials

we have enough of our own
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John Bel Edwards

frick no...we have enough corrupt politicians. Please keep this one all to yourselves
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
67648 posts
Posted on 3/31/16 at 3:49 pm to
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Louisiana is talking about raising the minimum wage from $7.25 to around $8. Do you think that number would bring about the same consequences as going to $15?


no and I also don't think making $8 an hour will have any noticeable impact on the workers who are making $7.25...no matter what ANY business owner that employs min wage workers is going to try to maintain whatever percentage they currently pay for labor...if not they risk going out of business.
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
67648 posts
Posted on 3/31/16 at 3:51 pm to
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My sister ordered a chicken sandwich today and got back with a hamburger.


that won't happen when they make $15 an hour
Posted by tlsu15
Capital of Texas
Member since Aug 2011
10140 posts
Posted on 3/31/16 at 3:51 pm to
Understandable. It's a balancing act for sure and if you tip the scale in either directions, someone is going to be negatively affected just the same as someone is going to benefit.
Posted by NoHoTiger
So many to kill, so little time
Member since Nov 2006
45850 posts
Posted on 3/31/16 at 3:52 pm to
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that won't happen when they make $15 an hour

phew...
Posted by brgfather129
Los Angeles, CA
Member since Jul 2009
17237 posts
Posted on 3/31/16 at 3:53 pm to
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Just don't try and push that thinking on other states.


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BAMA


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