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Posted on 12/22/15 at 9:51 am to
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 12/22/15 at 9:51 am to
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You do know that during the 15 years of the BCS era, 8 pocket passer and 7 dual threats won BCS championships, right?


Oh really.

'98 Tenn Tee Martin 2442 passing, 306 rushing. you calling him dual threath b/c he's black? PP

'99 FSU Chris Wienke PP

'00 Oklahoma Josh Heupel PP

'01 Miami Ken Dorsey PP

'02 Craig Krenzel PP

'03 Matt Mauck PP

'04 USC Matt Leinart PP

'05 Texas Vince Young DT 6'5 230lb qb, one of the best in college football ever

'06 Florida Chris Leak PP (Tim Tebow pretty much a RB that year)

'07 LSU Matt Flynn PP

'08 Florida Tim Tebow DT 6'3 245 qb, one of the best in college football ever

'09 Alabama Greg McElroy PP

'10 Auburn Cam Newton DT 6'5" 245 qb, one of the best in college football ever

'11 Alabama AJ McCarron PP

'12 Alabama AJ McCarron PP

'13 FSU Jameis Winston PP just b/c he's black and athletic doesn't mean he's automatically a dual threat. H threw for 8,000 yards in two years and rushed for less than 300.

'14 OSU any of the 3 DT


So looking back 17 years, we had 4 dual threat QB's win the national championship, and 3 of them were all time great college qb's who were enormous and athletic.

Can you show me where you're finding all these dual threat qb's winning national championships?
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 12/22/15 at 10:36 am to
Matt Mauk and Matt Flynn ran a lot more than people give them credit for.

Flynn had 100 att in 2007 and Mauck had 97 in 2003.

Now looking back at the stats its hard to tell if they count sacks or not. I think they do. But i am not sure.
Posted by 5Alive
With Your Moms
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 12/22/15 at 10:39 am to
I see you purposely left out that Tee Martin had almost 200 attempts rushing and 15 plus tds rushing in his 2 starting years. Also Winston was a DT coming out.
Posted by justustm2
Member since Sep 2005
4158 posts
Posted on 12/22/15 at 12:27 pm to
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So looking back 17 years, we had 4 dual threat QB's win the national championship, and 3 of them were all time great college qb's who were enormous and athletic.

Can you show me where you're finding all these dual threat qb's winning national championships?


As usual for you guys, revisionist history in full effect. Check out what the QBs were labeled out of high school. What their coaches developed them to do is another story. If a DT QB goes to a school who system is to primarily pass, those are going to be his major stats. That doesn't stop him from being a DT QB. Brandon Harris has rushed for only a total of 344 yards and 3.8 average at LSU. Does that mean he is a pocket passer. Andrew Luck ran for 957 yards and a 5.9 average at Stanford. Does that make him a "dual threat" in your eyes? By the way I consider him a dual threat.

And again you guys project your prejudices on others. I list white as well as black dual threat QBs. You are the one who subconsciously considers "dual treat" quarterbacks black and this do not want any.

Coming out of high school the QB were considered:

Tamaurice Nigel "Tee" Martin - DT
Vince Young DT
Chris Leak PP (Tim Tebow- DT, without him they don't win)
Matt Flynn (Without Ryan Perriloux - DT, LSU doesn't get to championship game)
Tim Tebow DT
Cam Newton DT
Jameis Winston - DT
OSU any of the 3 - DT


And you think your argument against DT QBs is bolstered by you claiming 3 of the championship winning DT QBs were the greatest of all times? Maybe that is contra to your argument. Peyton Manning and Tom Brady, arguably among the greatest pocket passing QBs of all time did not win championships in college. Tee Martin, a DT, won the year after Manning was the number one pick in the NFL draft. So should he be considered one of the greatest QBs of all time as well?



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