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re: North Dakota now the Fighting Hawks

Posted on 11/18/15 at 1:54 pm to
Posted by sms151t
Polos, Porsches, Ponies..PROBATION
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Posted on 11/18/15 at 1:54 pm to
I did not think they had even come up with a logo.
Posted by sms151t
Polos, Porsches, Ponies..PROBATION
Member since Aug 2009
140003 posts
Posted on 11/18/15 at 2:39 pm to
In the next few post I will post the open letter that started this whole fiasco


It is a very long read but I feel well worth it. To the admins, sorry if not allowed but it is educational in this situation.


An Open Letter from UND President Charles Kupchella to the NCAA

8/12/2005

August 12, 2005



An Open Letter to the NCAA:



The quiet serenity of our beautiful campus was disturbed early August 5 by news reports that the NCAA had decided to address the Indian nickname issue. The early reports were unclear; the words mascot, nickname, and logo were used interchangeably, and the loaded words “abusive” and “hostile” were invoked without definition and without any real clear idea as to how they were being applied. We don’t have a mascot, and our logo was designed by a very well-respected American Indian artist. We couldn’t imagine that these reports would apply to us.



Later, we saw the full release. While it looked like the action taken by the NCAA was insulting, and a flagrant abuse of power, we knew that good, well-meaning people were involved in the decision and we wanted to consider our reaction carefully.



We were initially stunned by the charge “abusive” and “hostile,” and then angry. We reflected and gave it a week before drafting this response. I must admit to sinking at one point during the past week to the notion that my Association was guilty of “political correctness run amok” as suggested by some papers.



We want to file an appeal, but first we need to know the basis for your decisions. We need the answers to some questions first, in other words.



I do not wish to take up the issue, here, of any absolute or general “correctness” of using American Indian imagery. Those on both sides of the issue have long ago made up their minds, and no amount of talking over many years seems to have moved anyone from one side of the issue to the other. Suffice it to say, some choose to be insulted by the use of these terms; others are befuddled by this reaction to what they consider to be an honor. What I would like to take up here is a matter of the appropriateness and legality of the NCAA’s action. I mean to take up the issue of whether the NCAA has gone over the edge and out of bounds in the action announced on Friday.


Is it the use of Indian names, images, and/or mascots to which you are opposed? If it is all of the above, which logos, images, and mascots do you indict by your announcement? Is it only certain ones? As I said, a very respected Indian artist designed and created a logo for the University. The logo is not unlike those found on United States coins and North Dakota highway patrol cars and highway signs. So we can’t imagine that the use of this image is “abusive” or “hostile” in any sense of these words.


Is it the use of the names of tribes that you find hostile and abusive?


Posted by fargobison
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 11/18/15 at 2:58 pm to
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I did not think they had even come up with a logo.



They haven't but the student body was pushing for that blackhawk logo but their admin said that isn't going to happen.

They won't have a logo in place until this summer.
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