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re: Worse talent level in Payton era
Posted on 9/2/15 at 10:27 pm to Patrick O Rly
Posted on 9/2/15 at 10:27 pm to Patrick O Rly
quote:
I disagree.
Outside of Brees, I'd say the above average talent is:
Ingram
Robinson
Spiller (if healthy)
Armstead
Unger
Jordan
Hicks
Kikaha
Anthony
Ellerbe (if healthy)
Browner
Breaux
Vacarro
So, these are the guys you've added to my list:
quote:
Robinson
Spiller (if healthy)
Kikaha
Anthony
Ellerbe (if healthy)
Browner
Breaux
Vacarro
Kikaha and Anthony are rookies. You are making assumptions.
Ellerbe is obviously no sure thing. You are expecting improvement.
Browner I've discussed.
Breaux has no NFL pedigree. The reports are good, but we haven't seen anything to think he's above average. In fact, I'd be ecstatic if he ended up being average.
Vacarro hasn't been above average. He made some plays his rookie year, and has been at best average since. You are expecting improvement.
quote:
Moorstead
Agree. But, he's a punter.
quote:
Murphy (as a returner)
Ridiculous to say at this point. Certainly, you are expecting something that hasn't been shown yet.
ETA, Robinson and Spiller are both good talents.
This post was edited on 9/2/15 at 10:28 pm
Posted on 9/2/15 at 10:39 pm to moneyg
quote:
Vacarro hasn't been above average. He made some plays his rookie year, and has been at best average since. You are expecting improvement.
I'm not saying the KV is a great player or anything, but he's played 2 seasons.
So, in season 1 if he was good, and then in season 2 he was average, then he is still above average.
Now I think he sucked last year, so over the course of 2 years, he's probably right around average
This post was edited on 9/2/15 at 10:40 pm
Posted on 9/2/15 at 11:04 pm to moneyg
quote:
Vacarro hasn't been above average. He made some plays his rookie year, and has been at best average since. You are expecting improvement.
I think his play has to do more with scheme. Sure, he missed assignments last year but at least in his rookie year we had a few vets back there also who had been around the team for awhile (Jenkins, Harper). By the way.. Jenkins looked a lot better in Philly last year for whatever reason.
Posted on 9/2/15 at 11:08 pm to moneyg
and I also agree with a lot of what you are saying.
i'm worried about the secondary with injuries and the D-line depth wise. No true pass rusher for real.
LB's get a pass in my book.. we finally drafted some young blood there that I like and I'm not expecting a lot from them right out of the gate.
i'm worried about the secondary with injuries and the D-line depth wise. No true pass rusher for real.
LB's get a pass in my book.. we finally drafted some young blood there that I like and I'm not expecting a lot from them right out of the gate.
Posted on 9/3/15 at 7:48 am to moneyg
We're talking about talent right? That's what the thread title says. We had a lot of talent last year, but it didn't materialize into a winning record. That team had more talent than some previous teams but they didn't play together.
This whole thread is people basically arguing over a misunderstanding of what the question is. There is plenty of talent on this team. We have no clue what it's going to translate into yet.
This whole thread is people basically arguing over a misunderstanding of what the question is. There is plenty of talent on this team. We have no clue what it's going to translate into yet.
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