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re: What happened to Jordan Jefferson over the course of his career
Posted on 7/29/15 at 3:02 pm to lsufball19
Posted on 7/29/15 at 3:02 pm to lsufball19
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he had more starts too. He should be ahead by much more all things considered
Jefferson had two more career passing TDs than Lee in double the games played. Jefferson was an offensive machine all right.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 3:04 pm to lsufball19
quote:quote:i'm not.
I'm glad that you are finally beginning to accept the truth.
quote:Yes. It's true. He also had one more year in the system than Jefferson. Those are facts.
you want to say lee was the two minute Qb because he was a competent backup? seriously?
quote:Those are facts. You don't like them? Controvert them with other facts.
you can't even be taken seriously with shite like that.
quote:Those are not facts. Those are your opinions. I can controvert your opinions with facts. Jefferson had better passing numbers than Lee over his career. Lee was not a better pass than Jefferson. That's an opinion supported by the facts.
He was the two minute Qb because he was a much better passer than Jefferson. Miles couldn't trust Jefferson to pick up yards through the air in a 2 minute drill, and that's why Lee was played as such.
quote:Lee did well against Florida. He completed three short passes to Toliver that turned out to be huge. Good job, Lee.
That's why he played at the end of both halves against Florida (and scored TDs on both btw).
quote:Lee threw an interception in his first drive, and he got close to scoring in the second. Jefferson finished it off. Good job, Lee. Lee came in because he was the two-minute QB. That's a fact.
And that's why he was inserted against TN because after JJ's run the first series of the game, he did exactly jack shite for 3.75 quarters if football.
quote:You can express whatever opinion you want to have. Lee came in because Jefferson was injured. That is a fact.
He came in on 3rd and long against Alabama because we had to convert a first down and Jefferson couldn't be trusted to convert on a passing down as much as Lee.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 3:05 pm to chilge1
quote:
I think last year was a wakeup call for Cameron
I hope so... if it's more of the same this season, then I don't how it can be fixed without some major changes.
I would just love to see some above average QB play and they actually help instead of being a detriment.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 3:09 pm to lsufball19
quote:There you go again talking about "pro careers" for QBs who did not have much, if any, pro careers.quote:he was more valued as a player to an NFL team. Jefferson wasn't even worth a camp body for anyone. that's pretty pathetic
I'm not the one who brought up Lee's 4 preseason games like they are the touchstone of truth. That's your shibboleth.
quote:You need to decide whether you think their pro careers are relevant or not.
Neither are pro caliber players. What the frick is your point.
I don't think so, but you keep bringing it back up.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 3:10 pm to Salviati
quote:
Lee was not a better pass than Jefferson. That's an opinion supported by the facts.
no it's not
quote:
Lee threw an interception in his first drive, and he got close to scoring in the second. Jefferson finished it off. Good job, Lee. Lee came in because he was the two-minute QB. That's a fact.
Lee was responsible for 185 of the 215 passing yards l;su had. jefferson had an 83 yard run right up the middle the first series of the game. he accounted for 47 total yards the rest of the game. That's a fact
Posted on 7/29/15 at 3:18 pm to CptBengal
quote::sigh:quote:it is, liar.
that reading is fundamental.
you graph shows JJ with a 66% regular season rating....
Then later in THE SAME POST, you post this:quote:So which is it liar?
Jefferson (2011 Regular Season)
64.3%, 9.34 YPA, 5 TDs, 1 INT, INT% 1.43%, Overall Rating 163.48
I'll explain it to you like I would explain it to a third grader.
quote:Do you see where it says "2011 Regular Season"? It's in the parentheses. Do you see it now? That means the statistics come from the 2011 Regular Season.
Jefferson (2011 Regular Season)
64.3%, 9.34 YPA, 5 TDs, 1 INT, INT% 1.43%, Overall Rating 163.48
quote:Do you see where it says "SEC Regular Season Games"? It's in bold print, and it's right below the graph for "QB Rating - Mettenberger." I put it in bold print so you could find it easily. Do you see it now? That means the statistics come from SEC Regular Season Games.
SEC Regular Season Games
Do you understand now?
Do you still feel compelled to call me a lair?
Posted on 7/29/15 at 3:25 pm to Salviati
quote:
Jefferson (2011 Regular Season)
64.3%, 9.34 YPA, 5 TDs, 1 INT, INT% 1.43%, Overall Rating 163.48
so here he has a 64.3% regular season comp %
Then in your graph JJ has a 66% regular season comp % for 2011.
quote:
That means the statistics come from SEC Regular Season Games.
Why are you a liar?
both are from the regular season and JJ in 2011 had a lower comp % than Lee.
it was worse.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 3:26 pm to lsufball19
quote:The "talent" around him was new.quote:lol what? he had more than enough talent around him. that was his 2nd year in the system, and he's had more than enough playing time to have gotten better throughout the season. he's fricking terrible is his problem
Jennings didn't do well last year. And he didn't have much help last year, from teammates or from coaches.
The benchmark for returning production last season was 60-70%. Teams return about 70% of their games played but about 60% of their production. Anything less, and the team will be looking at experience issues
Last year, LSU returned 53.13% of its games started on offense and 65.24% of games played. Worse, almost all of the production was gone: 36.65% of the rush yards returned, just 12.96% of the receiving yards, and 5.55% of the passing yards.
So, Jennings was inexperienced, the RBs were inexperienced, and the WRs were inexperienced.
The talent was there, but the experience was absent.
As Cameron pointed out after the season, Jennings got better as the season progressed, but LSU started playing tougher teams as the season progressed. Thus, it may have appeared to the inexperienced eye that Jennings did not progress.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 3:28 pm to chilge1
quote:Agreed.
His receivers entered 2014 with 7 career catches combined and were constantly disrupted by press coverage and were knocked off their routes.
Whomever is under center, whether Jennings or Harris, will be much improved, and will have competent play around them.
I look forward to either QB starting. They are both improved from last year.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 3:30 pm to CptBengal
Sal, you are a pathetic human being
Posted on 7/29/15 at 3:32 pm to Salviati
Let's try that again....
Sal, what was JJ's regular season completion percentage?
Sal, what was JJ's regular season completion percentage?
Posted on 7/29/15 at 3:34 pm to Salviati
You guys keep spewing the same ole shite day after day about JJ. The dude is gone. He basically did nothing remarkable while he was here. It sounds like you're trying to convince yourselves the guy wasn't a cancerous distraction to the team.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 3:41 pm to lsufball19
quote:One of those runs was a zone read executed perfectly by Jefferson.
lol, one was a 17 yard drive after a TM punt return, all off tackle runs.
quote:It was less than 50 yards, and Blue had been running zone reads with Jefferson very successfully.
The other was a 50+ yard run fro Alfred Blue right up the middle.
quote:You do know that the offense can move the ball on the ground as well as through the air? Right?
Are you REALLY trying to argue Jefferson managed the offense well that game? REALLY? You have to be fricking trolling. Jefferson had 30 yards passing the entire game. THIRTY. He had negative 5 yards rushing. I don;'t care how much you want to spin it, that was one of the worst played games by an LSu QB in the history of the program.
And you do know that LSU ran the ball more effectively with Jefferson at QB rather than Lee? Right?
And you do know that Jefferson executed the option and zone read exceptionally well? Right?
A QB does not have to run or throw the ball to manage the game brilliantly. Jefferson managed the game to the tune of four offensive touchdowns, one of which was a TD pass, with no interceptions.
quote:You are sooo angry. Why? Lee doesn't have any stats from the championship games. They can't be compared.
By a repeat performance in one of the biggest games in school history. But let's ignore those games because he had decent stats in three games, 2 against shitty teams.
I've compared the regular season.
I've compared the games when Lee and Jefferson played teams that were ranked #3.
I've compared stats when they both played against the same defenses.
I'll be happy to compare stats when they both played against Alabama.
The main thing that you consistently ignore is that ALL three of Jefferson's regular season starts were BETTER than ALL nine of Lee's regular season starts. Not just the best of each QB or the average of each QB. But EVERY regular season game for each QB. And Lee played against shittier defenses.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 3:41 pm to Salviati
Sal, what was JJ's regular season completion percentage?
Posted on 7/29/15 at 3:42 pm to Salviati
Sal, what was JJ's regular season completion percentage in 2011?
Posted on 7/29/15 at 3:43 pm to lsufball19
quote:Jefferson completed every pass he attempted against Ole Miss.quote:yeah, his 88 yards passing against Ole Miss was the reason we won 52-3
he did not lead LSU as well as Jefferson led LSU in Jefferson's three starts.
How can he get more passing yards than completing EVERY pass? He does not call the plays.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 3:45 pm to Salviati
Sal, what was JJ's regular season completion percentage in 2011?
Posted on 7/29/15 at 3:47 pm to lsufball19
quote:Jefferson is ahead in categories that don't consider how many starts the QB has:quote:he had more starts too. he should be ahead by much more all things considered
Actually, for their careers, Jefferson is ahead of Lee in pretty much every category.
Efficiency
Comp %
INT %
YPC
Posted on 7/29/15 at 3:54 pm to lsufball19
quote:Are you still suggesting that post-season games are the same as regular season games?quote:what's your point? does Jefferson have any stats for the first 4 games of the 2011 season? Might as well not count Lee's game against Oregon
Does Lee have any stats for the 2011 post-season?
quote:quote:
Are you honestly suggesting that the SECCG or BCSCG are comparable to games against Northwestern State or Kentucky or Western Kentucky?
they're all games. Oregon was a better team than UGA. What difference does it make when the game was played?
Come on. Oregon had a good offense, but no defense.
Georgia's Passing Defense = 10
Oregon's Passing Defense = 88
Georgia's Total Defense = 5
Oregon's Total Defense = 67
Posted on 7/29/15 at 3:57 pm to Salviati
Sal, what was JJ's regular season completion percentage in 2011?
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