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re: Post your top 15 players in NBA history in this thread
Posted on 6/9/15 at 9:30 am to PrimeTime Money
Posted on 6/9/15 at 9:30 am to PrimeTime Money
How many people here putting Wilt and Russell on your list has ever even seen them play?
Posted on 6/9/15 at 9:43 am to WestCoastAg
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exactly, shaq was the more dominant player. id take him and what he could do in his prime, over tims prime every single day
If you were drafting a player for your franchise you can either get the guy who was dominant for 5-8 years or a guy who has close to dominant for 10-12 years
That's really the debate at least to me
Posted on 6/9/15 at 12:46 pm to Diesel25
Not much love Hakeem in this thread.
Posted on 6/9/15 at 12:48 pm to NorthGAVol
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5. Lebron James
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7. Kobe Bryant
Posted on 6/9/15 at 12:49 pm to dukke v
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by dukke v
Not much love Hakeem in this thread.
Yep. If we are even putting Malone on a top 15 list. Hakeem deserves an automatic position bump.
Also, yay another LeFanBoi who needs reassurance of their obsession starts a MSB thread
Posted on 6/9/15 at 12:54 pm to dukke v
quote:A lot of "basketball fans" don't even watch a lot of certain players who are not on their favorite team currently.
Not much love Hakeem in this thread.
So I doubt they have watched much of a player not on their favorite team 20 years ago when the internet was fairly new and there wasn't even a such thing as League Pass or Youtube. I don't think a lot of people know how good Hakeem really was.
Plus, there are people in this thread with Wilt and Russell at the top of their list, and I know they have not seen them play. They are just going by what other people said... who were just going by what other people said.
Posted on 6/9/15 at 12:56 pm to PrimeTime Money
same can be said for for most of the MSB LeFanBois who weren't of age to watch Jordan play live.
Posted on 6/9/15 at 1:00 pm to NorthGAVol
1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
3. Wilt Chamberlain
4. Magic Johnson
5. Lebron James
6. Bill Russell
7. Kobe Bryant
8. Larry Bird
9. Oscar Robertson
10. Shaquille O'Neal
11. Hakeem Olajuwon
12. Tim Duncan
13. Karl Malone
14. Jerry West
15. Jacob Hester, cause any list without him is invalid
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
3. Wilt Chamberlain
4. Magic Johnson
5. Lebron James
6. Bill Russell
7. Kobe Bryant
8. Larry Bird
9. Oscar Robertson
10. Shaquille O'Neal
11. Hakeem Olajuwon
12. Tim Duncan
13. Karl Malone
14. Jerry West
15. Jacob Hester, cause any list without him is invalid
Posted on 6/9/15 at 1:09 pm to jeffsdad
quote:Why put Bill Russell ahead of Hakeem Olajuwon?
1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
3. Wilt Chamberlain
4. Magic Johnson
5. Lebron James
6. Bill Russell
7. Kobe Bryant
8. Larry Bird
9. Oscar Robertson
10. Shaquille O'Neal
11. Hakeem Olajuwon
12. Tim Duncan
13. Karl Malone
14. Jerry West
15. Jacob Hester, cause any list without him is invalid
Posted on 6/9/15 at 1:10 pm to PrimeTime Money
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Why put Bill Russell ahead of Hakeem Olajuwon?
because he is in the discussion for the best player in the history of the NBA?
Posted on 6/9/15 at 1:12 pm to molsusports
quote:Why? Because he won a lot of rings?
because he is in the discussion for the best player in the history of the NBA?
Posted on 6/9/15 at 1:14 pm to PrimeTime Money
Because he dominated his era and regularly bested perhaps the most physically gifted player in the history of the NBA (wilt)
Posted on 6/9/15 at 1:16 pm to dukke v
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Not much love Hakeem in this thread
Especially when you consider according to 538 no superstar champion did more with less than he did in 1994.
Posted on 6/9/15 at 1:17 pm to molsusports
quote:His career high in points per 36 min in a season is 15.6.
Because he dominated his era and regularly bested perhaps the most physically gifted player in the history of the NBA (wilt)
His career average per 36 is 12.8 pts.
He was great on one side of the ball. And his Celtics teams were loaded.
So why does that put him ahead of a player who was dominant on both sides of the ball?
Posted on 6/9/15 at 1:23 pm to PrimeTime Money
Because he was ridiculously dominant on that side of the ball and was asked to sacrifice his offensive game to the other scorers on his team. Hakeem and his Rockets never dominated, they snuck in and won two championships when the Jordan wasn't playing full seasons. BR and his teams won everything for a decade. There's just no comparison. Hakeem was a phenomenal player and a great gentleman from what I know of him - but to compare him to Russell tells me you just don't give older players any credit.
I take it from your point of view and signature picture you are a Rockets fan. You know people who are not big Hakeem fans are not going to share your point of view.
I take it from your point of view and signature picture you are a Rockets fan. You know people who are not big Hakeem fans are not going to share your point of view.
Posted on 6/9/15 at 1:29 pm to molsusports
quote:It's not even about Hakeem specifically or Bill Russell specifically.
Because he was ridiculously dominant on that side of the ball and was asked to sacrifice his offensive game to the other scorers on his team. Hakeem and his Rockets never dominated, they snuck in and won two championships when the Jordan wasn't playing full seasons. BR and his teams won everything for a decade. There's just no comparison. Hakeem was a phenomenal player and a great gentleman from what I know of him - but to compare him to Russell tells me you just don't give older players any credit.
I take it from your point of view and signature picture you are a Rockets fan. You know people who are not big Hakeem fans are not going to share your point of view.
I picked those two because you have one player who is one of the greatest of all time on both sides of the ball and you have one who is one of the greatest on only one side of the ball. And don't hand me this "he was asked to sacrifice his offensive game for other players" nonsense. If he was good enough to put up big numbers on the offensive end, no coach would tell him to stop scoring so much and give the other players a turn. That's nonsense that somebody came up with long after to explain away his sub-par offensive numbers.
And if you use the championships argument, then why are there players ahead of Russell with less championships?
Why is team not taken into account? Those Celtics teams were loaded back then. Plus, there were only 8 teams in the entire league.
For example... in 1964, the six players with the most minutes played on the team were Bill Russell, Sam Jones, Snatch Sanders, K.C. Jones, John Havlicek, and Tom Heinsohn.
All 6 are in the hall of fame. Then you had Willie Naulls who was a 4x all-star,
If you have 6 hall of famers on your team with only 7 other teams in the league, how would you NOT win a ton of championships and dominate the league?
This post was edited on 6/9/15 at 1:38 pm
Posted on 6/9/15 at 1:40 pm to PrimeTime Money
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Why? Because he won a lot of rings?
Well, there's also the minor matter of him averaging 22.45 rebounds per game. That's literally double Hakeem's rebound rate.
Acting like the only way to evaluate players is through eye witness is ridiculous. There's this thing called the statistical record. Your own witness has value, but you're not a scout, and eye witness testimony is notoriously unreliable anyway. You act like taking a large sample of other people's opinion is a bad thing, when in fact it is a really good tool for evaluation. Multiple expert evaluations are a GOOD thing.
And it's not like the film has been destroyed. You can watch clips of Russell playing.
All that said, I'd put Hakeem ahead of Russell, but that's because I think Hakeem might be the greatest center in NBA history not named Wilt Chamberlain. He was such a dynamic player.
Posted on 6/9/15 at 1:42 pm to PrimeTime Money
didn't he average like 25 rebounds per game or something insane?
not taking sides here. Just an observation.
not taking sides here. Just an observation.
Posted on 6/9/15 at 1:49 pm to Baloo
quote:I'm not saying you have to witness every game a player played first-hand.
Well, there's also the minor matter of him averaging 22.45 rebounds per game. That's literally double Hakeem's rebound rate.
Acting like the only way to evaluate players is through eye witness is ridiculous. There's this thing called the statistical record. Your own witness has value, but you're not a scout, and eye witness testimony is notoriously unreliable anyway. You act like taking a large sample of other people's opinion is a bad thing, when in fact it is a really good tool for evaluation. Multiple expert evaluations are a GOOD thing.
And it's not like the film has been destroyed. You can watch clips of Russell playing.
All that said, I'd put Hakeem ahead of Russell, but that's because I think Hakeem might be the greatest center in NBA history not named Wilt Chamberlain. He was such a dynamic player.
But you need to see full games to really get a sense of how they contributed to their team. Clips on Youtube really don't do that.
Why did Russell have so many rebounds? Can we answer that? How do you know he didn't just stand under the rim and purposely miss shots to inflate his rebounding stats? I'm certainly not saying that happened... I'm making the point that stats tell the result, but not how those numbers were achieved.
People are comparing those they have seen play (LeBron, Jordan, Hakeem, etc) with those they have never seen play a full game with their own eyes. They are going off of stats and legend and other rankings they've been fed over the years from ESPN and whatever other publication. "They all put Russell at the top... so it must be true", and they confirm that he was a good player from a highlight clip they've seen on Youtube.
This post was edited on 6/9/15 at 1:54 pm
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