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re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens Teaser #2 (Spolierish Discussions)
Posted on 4/21/15 at 2:47 pm to H-Town Tiger
Posted on 4/21/15 at 2:47 pm to H-Town Tiger
quote:The "Jedi sucks" narrative was really born in the last decade. Audiences at the time liked it much more than Empire, as do I.
Looking back at Return of the Jedi, we should have know the prequels would be disappointing.
But then, I live in a world in which Independance Day is now mysteriously considered a good movie. Maybe the suck has lowered the bar over the years.
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Posted on 4/21/15 at 2:58 pm to blueboy
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The "Jedi sucks" narrative was really born in the last decade. Audiences at the time liked it much more than Empire, as do I.
you are full of assumptions. I never said Jedi sucked, but looking back it was kind of a canary in the colemine that the main focus wasn't the story as much as selling merch/toys. From well before the reissues were done, Empire was ranked #1 and Jedi 3rd of the OT on most lists i saw, including my own. At the time it was released, we knew that the final battle was supposed to be Wookies instead of Ewoks. Maybe it was a cost issue since then you had to have actors in the suits then and probably easier to find a bunch of midgets/kids than 7' tall dudes, idk but most people i knew over the age of 7 or so thought the Ewoks were lame even then
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Posted on 4/21/15 at 4:04 pm to blueboy
jedi just hasn't held up as well into adult hood
you see lucas reusing ideas and shots from the first movie and just repackaging it for this one. The ewoks are in there to sell toys, plain and simple
so after we've been battered with the prequels people kind of see the same shite to a far lesser degree in 'jedi'
vader's role in jedi really is the beginning of the biggest fault in the prequels. so all of a sudden vader is being set up for a redemption. He doesn't choke anyone, or kill anyone, etc. after going hog wild in empire. vader is important to us, and lucas lets that seep into 'jedi' and then goes full retard in the prequels with virginal birth and stupid prophecies.
if he's so important, then why does the emperor call him a slave while he's right there and treat him like shite in front of other people? he's like a lap dog, not some key to the galaxy. and when he's not fricking taking care of business (killing rebels and jedi and attempting to turn powerful jedi) then he's no fricking good. He doesn't do shite in the movie until the throne room with luke. beyond the light saber fight in jedi (a great one, and those scenes are awesome) he just stands around like a retard not doing anything, with no clear motivation
empire is best because the characters are stronger, but things are way more clearer. Luke is the clear protagonist and his goal is to become a jedi, vader is the clear antagonist and his mission is to find the "jedi" who destroyed the death star and either kill him like the rest or turn him into an asset.
in the original things aren't discombobulated at all, but in jedi things are kind of muddied...the prequels don't even have a fricking protagonist in one of the fricking movies and the antagonist appears briefly, his goal not revealed until his plan has played out, I mean it just sucks
and after watching all of that shite, you can see the roots of the prequels in 'return of the jedi'
you see lucas reusing ideas and shots from the first movie and just repackaging it for this one. The ewoks are in there to sell toys, plain and simple
so after we've been battered with the prequels people kind of see the same shite to a far lesser degree in 'jedi'
vader's role in jedi really is the beginning of the biggest fault in the prequels. so all of a sudden vader is being set up for a redemption. He doesn't choke anyone, or kill anyone, etc. after going hog wild in empire. vader is important to us, and lucas lets that seep into 'jedi' and then goes full retard in the prequels with virginal birth and stupid prophecies.
if he's so important, then why does the emperor call him a slave while he's right there and treat him like shite in front of other people? he's like a lap dog, not some key to the galaxy. and when he's not fricking taking care of business (killing rebels and jedi and attempting to turn powerful jedi) then he's no fricking good. He doesn't do shite in the movie until the throne room with luke. beyond the light saber fight in jedi (a great one, and those scenes are awesome) he just stands around like a retard not doing anything, with no clear motivation
empire is best because the characters are stronger, but things are way more clearer. Luke is the clear protagonist and his goal is to become a jedi, vader is the clear antagonist and his mission is to find the "jedi" who destroyed the death star and either kill him like the rest or turn him into an asset.
in the original things aren't discombobulated at all, but in jedi things are kind of muddied...the prequels don't even have a fricking protagonist in one of the fricking movies and the antagonist appears briefly, his goal not revealed until his plan has played out, I mean it just sucks
and after watching all of that shite, you can see the roots of the prequels in 'return of the jedi'
Posted on 4/21/15 at 4:07 pm to blueboy
and I wouldn't say 'jedi' sucks, but it isn't worthy of the trilogy.
the original and the empire strikes back are in such a higher stratosphere...definitely empire.
the original and the empire strikes back are in such a higher stratosphere...definitely empire.
Posted on 4/21/15 at 4:20 pm to blueboy
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The "Jedi sucks" narrative was really born in the last decade
That is definitely not true. We talked about it in the mid 90s all of the time.
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