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Posted on 4/21/15 at 9:51 am to Pectus
Speaking of Yoda hopping around like a crazy monkey with a light saber, I think they missed a huge opportunity (par for the course for the prequels) to really show the power of the force. Yoda should have barely moved, only dodging slightly but perfectly, all the while using the force to control his light saber and other objects to fight. Really emphasize the "size matters not" aspect of the force.
Posted on 4/21/15 at 9:57 am to Tiger Ryno
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why has this thread turned into a discussion of the prequels?
Posted on 4/21/15 at 10:04 am to Pectus
We get it alright. If you think that was lucas' artistic design then power on man, but I think honest reflection and analysis points to a different aesthetic approach and lazy cost efficient film making. Nothing is grander. It's just lucas throwing a ton of shite on the screen for no other purpose than to sell toys and make billions. Why did he need to tell us a story to which we already knew the conclusion and important facts? If it was a character piece then why don't we ever see anakin' straining. You can't have a fall without a rise and anakin is a little twerp from the get go. These movies are turds through and through. Other than the fact effort and new ideas were tried in PM, there isn't one reframing quality or nice thing you can say about them
Posted on 4/21/15 at 10:07 am to TigerNutwhack
Instead of dooku being a geezer have him be this physically imposing guy who just makes waste of anakin and obi wan with little effort then steps in yoda and without a weapon, yoda outmatched him while barely moving
That scene proves George Lucas doesn't get empire's appeal despite trying to copy it at every turn
That scene proves George Lucas doesn't get empire's appeal despite trying to copy it at every turn
Posted on 4/21/15 at 10:17 am to asurob1
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I admit I loved the final fight scene between Obi and Anakin in Sith. I found it epic though if Obi-wan had any character he would of put his good friend out of his misery after lopping off his arms and legs.
What I detested was the locale.
That's funny, cause thge locale is one of the few things i liked about it because it was a rare case of consistency in the prequels They described the fight btwn ObiWan and Vader/Anikan in the novelization of Star Wars, so it had to have lava. The trouble with it is it goes on too long, it gets boring with them jumping all over the place and yes, pretty shitty of ObiWan to leave him like that to suffer.
Posted on 4/21/15 at 10:21 am to DelU249
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hat scene proves George Lucas doesn't get empire's appeal
worse i think he resents it since Kirschner and Kurtz get most of the credit
Posted on 4/21/15 at 10:28 am to H-Town Tiger
quote:Not this shite again.
worse i think he resents it since Kirschner and Kurtz get most of the credit
Posted on 4/21/15 at 10:30 am to blueboy
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Not this shite again
Posted on 4/21/15 at 10:35 am to DelU249
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there isn't one reframing quality or nice thing you can say about them
I personally liked the political atmosphere of the prequels. They helped explain the creation of the rebellion, the creation of the empire, and the creation of the storm troopers.
Going into Episode IV for the first time - especially if you're older than 15 - is a bit confusing. Darth Vader and Palpatine are evil and Luke and the rebellion are good. We don't really know why. We're just told so.
Posted on 4/21/15 at 10:38 am to blueboy
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Not this shite again.
don't like the truth?
Posted on 4/21/15 at 10:39 am to DelU249
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We get it alright. If you think that was lucas' artistic design then power on man, but I think honest reflection and analysis points to a different aesthetic approach and lazy cost efficient film making. Nothing is grander. It's just lucas throwing a ton of shite on the screen for no other purpose than to sell toys and make billions. Why did he need to tell us a story to which we already knew the conclusion and important facts? If it was a character piece then why don't we ever see anakin' straining. You can't have a fall without a rise and anakin is a little twerp from the get go. These movies are turds through and through. Other than the fact effort and new ideas were tried in PM, there isn't one reframing quality or nice thing you can say about them
The problem with your argument is that you can explain it all with simple elements to the story. My defense is just the way the story is. "Your" defense is personal preferences such as taste and feelings.
If you have to go outside of the story elements to find gripes, and I can stay inside and explain them, then you have no ground to stand on.
Prequels are the prequels, and they work, and that's that.
This post was edited on 4/21/15 at 10:40 am
Posted on 4/21/15 at 10:43 am to Pectus
I don't even bother with the story elements. There isn't enough time in the day to destroy those. The quickest way I can think of is to ask "what story elements?"
Posted on 4/21/15 at 10:45 am to StringedInstruments
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I personally liked the political atmosphere of the prequels. They helped explain the creation of the rebellion, the creation of the empire, and the creation of the storm troopers.
Really, could you explain it to me then? Seriously, it is a convoluted mess that really makes no sense to me at all.
Basically and to me this is the fundementaly problem with the "story" in the prequesl, and a grave irony in your statement about Good vs Bad in the OT. Lucas wanted to make a political statement, but his political views boil down to Democrats good, Republican's bad.
Posted on 4/21/15 at 10:49 am to StringedInstruments
Some times simple exposition is all you need. And in the sci fi genre keeping it that simple isn't a bad thing. Rebels = good guys. Empire = bad guys. The costume design and other little things help emphasize this, but we didn't need 3 prequels. The rise of the empire isn't as interesting as the fall, nor is that the story. It's about the 3 main characters and their adventure and struggle.
The most important elements of the prequels are given in 5 minutes of exposition when Luke meets ben kenobi, so did we really need 3 films to give us the deets? And they don't mesh anyway. They don't explain it because lucas had to change the originals 5 or 6 time for maximum continuity.
The most important elements of the prequels are given in 5 minutes of exposition when Luke meets ben kenobi, so did we really need 3 films to give us the deets? And they don't mesh anyway. They don't explain it because lucas had to change the originals 5 or 6 time for maximum continuity.
Posted on 4/21/15 at 11:20 am to H-Town Tiger
quote:The truth is that Lucas was better when he was young and hungry. Don't forget, he's also the guy who had the most influence on the Raiders story. He lost his edge when he got older after years of being softened by douchey liberal wine country. This is how we got elected queens, Greedo shooting first and affirmative action Star Wars.
don't like the truth?
If Kurtz was the creative genius some seem to want to paint him as, his filmography wouldn't be as glaringly unimpressive. Producers have always been much better at ruining movies than "saving" them.
Posted on 4/21/15 at 11:25 am to blueboy
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affirmative action Star Wars
Explain.
Posted on 4/21/15 at 11:55 am to RedPants
Padme dying of a broken heart after giving birth to Luke and Leia is pure cinema genius. Only thing that would have made it better would have been Jar-Jar Binks helping with the delivery.
Posted on 4/21/15 at 12:27 pm to blueboy
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If Kurtz was the creative genius some seem to want to paint him as, his filmography wouldn't be as glaringly unimpressive. Producers have always been much better at ruining movies than "saving" them.
I never said Kurtz was the creative genius, in a thread a couple of weeks ago, i argued Lucas was the primary genius. It is not an either or propotion. But it seems clear from interviews with multiple people over the years that Lucas wasn't all that happy with Empire and the darker tone and the acclaim that movie has gotten. It is also clear that him and Kurtz had creative differences after that and Kurtz left before Jedi. (Raiders was done just after Empire and had Spielberg). Looking back at Return of the Jedi, we should have know the prequels would be disappointing.
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Lucas was better when he was young and hungry. Don't forget, he's also the guy who had the most influence on the Raiders story. He lost his edge when he got older after years of being softened by douchey liberal wine country. This is how we got elected queens, Greedo shooting first and affirmative action Star Wars.
Was it just that he was young and hungry or that because he was young and not really established that he had others around him to help guide things or say no sometime? Once he became established and could get total control that wasn't a good thing, maybe he lost his "edge" after being hailed as genius by so many?
No doubt he became a slave of sorts to his ideology and lead o a lot of crap you mention above. As if an advanced society "elects" a 14 y/old girl "Queen". Its a freaking fairy tale Jorge, no need to act like it's a democracy. Personally i think he's a classic, guilt ridden limosine liberal that feels the need to apologize for his success or thinks having the "correct" views makes up for it.
Posted on 4/21/15 at 12:27 pm to RedPants
quote:Going out of your way to include every color of the rainbow just for the PC sake of it is forced and annoying. And now, "activists" are whining because there aren't any gay characters.
Explain
This is why I think Lucas' biggest problem was the crowd he was surrounded by at the time he made the movies. This is what led to the elected queen, the unnecessary neo-political messages, the unintentionally racist Gungams, etc.
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