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re: Glock Behind the S&W/FN Curve (Update in OP)
Posted on 1/20/15 at 3:17 pm to KingRanch
Posted on 1/20/15 at 3:17 pm to KingRanch
Did you shoot anything this year with the 10mm? I was looking at ballistics charts on a 30-06 yesterday, and just for fun looked at 10mm. Pretty impressive. Took that glock with me hunting over the weekend, but all of my shots seemed to be over 200 yards.
Checked out the 30-06 because I regretted not taking a 1200yd shot at a monstrous pig. That fricker drops 30ft at 1000yds. I probably would've aimed 25ft too low
Checked out the 30-06 because I regretted not taking a 1200yd shot at a monstrous pig. That fricker drops 30ft at 1000yds. I probably would've aimed 25ft too low
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Posted on 1/20/15 at 3:19 pm to KingRanch
quote:Then we know you had nothing to do with it.
Science
Posted on 1/20/15 at 3:20 pm to Hammertime
I shot a rabbit with it this year.
Posted on 1/20/15 at 3:31 pm to AlxTgr
1986 Miami FBI Shootout
The .40 S&W round was created because FBI agents were inferiorly skilled against two combat veterans and outgunned. The 9mm's "lack of power" was to blame for the lack of incapacitation. Basically politics and bullshite.
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Where do you people come up with stuff like this?
The .40 S&W round was created because FBI agents were inferiorly skilled against two combat veterans and outgunned. The 9mm's "lack of power" was to blame for the lack of incapacitation. Basically politics and bullshite.
Posted on 1/20/15 at 3:33 pm to dnm3305
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The .40 S&W round was created because FBI agents were inferiorly skilled against two combat veterans and outgunned. The 9mm's "lack of power" was to blame for the lack of incapacitation. Basically politics and bullshite.
Exactly.
And at the time, they hadn't done much with hollow point technology to get the most out of 9mm. Well, that plus the fact that their powders sucked at making a bullet go fast.
Technology in both hollow points and gunpowder has made life easier for all of us.
Posted on 1/20/15 at 3:33 pm to dnm3305
Too be fair, haven't 9mm rounds improved quite a bit in the nearly 30 years since then?
Posted on 1/20/15 at 3:38 pm to dnm3305
Everybody knows this already. It's been said here before. So, are we needing reminding that the 40 round is a result of some bullshite reasoning. That's not what anyone is arguing.
It's a very effective round.
It's a very effective round.
Posted on 1/20/15 at 3:55 pm to bapple
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Why do they even put sights on it if you can't use them with an optic mounted?
Does the pistol come with a RMR? Some might want to shoot it before they purchase the RMR to see if they even like the pistol.
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Also, using a flashlight can cause a low-intensity dot to wash out (like on my dual-illuminated RMR). So having irons there makes sense.
Perfect reason to not use a RMR on a HD gun.
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But it's not included from the factory. Stupid move.
If it lowers cost and makes it easier to but a Storm Lake or Wolf, Im all for it.
Posted on 1/20/15 at 4:24 pm to Ice Cream Sammich
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Does the pistol come with a RMR? Some might want to shoot it before they purchase the RMR to see if they even like the pistol.
I can shoot my CORE without an optic too. It just makes more sense to put taller sights. Check out the pic on page 2.
Posted on 1/20/15 at 4:40 pm to dnm3305
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FBI agents were inferiorly skilled against two combat veterans and outgunned
One agent lost his glasses when his car collided with the perps, and fought with uncorrected vision. Another agent, regarded as a very fine marksman, achieved ONE hit out of 29 rounds expended.
The guys carrying .38 snubbies were definitely outgunned.
Posted on 1/20/15 at 7:44 pm to bapple
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Why do they even put sights on it if you can't use them with an optic mounted?
I look at them as two separate systems. I zero my iron sight then I zero my optics. I don't want my iron sights destracting me from my optics. If I am using optics I want to only see optics. If I want iron sights I remove my optics. None of my hunting rifles with optics even have iron sights.
Everyone has there own way of doing things. That is why Glock does not require you to purchase their system.
I bet you loved these.
Posted on 1/20/15 at 7:48 pm to highcotton2
That is designed as a hunting rifle. If this gun is designed as a combat, optic-ready handgun, they should've thought it through.
I can understand their 10mm hunting gun in that regard when compared to that lever gun. I still think it would've still been cheap for them to put taller sights on them. And I think most would have no problem paying a bit more for tall sights.
Posted on 1/20/15 at 8:08 pm to Pettifogger
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Too be fair, haven't 9mm rounds improved quite a bit in the nearly 30 years since then?
Yes indeed.
Posted on 1/20/15 at 8:09 pm to bapple
I was just messin with you.
But on my handguns if I have the optics removed I don't want tall sights on there. I look at them more as two independent systems. I always use them independent of the other. I hate looking at an optic and being distracted by iron sights. I guess my style is more what Glock is tailoring this to. It is pretty easy to add tall sights if you want a dual system.
But on my handguns if I have the optics removed I don't want tall sights on there. I look at them more as two independent systems. I always use them independent of the other. I hate looking at an optic and being distracted by iron sights. I guess my style is more what Glock is tailoring this to. It is pretty easy to add tall sights if you want a dual system.
This post was edited on 1/20/15 at 8:11 pm
Posted on 1/20/15 at 8:22 pm to dnm3305
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The .40 S&W round was created because FBI agents were inferiorly skilled against two combat veterans and outgunned. The 9mm's "lack of power" was to blame for the lack of incapacitation.
It's a minor clarification, but it points out some of the weird circumstances surrounding the development of the 40 S&W. Actually, following the Miami shooting and the results of ballistic studies afterward, the FBI chose to change it's official sidearm to......get ready for the drum roll......the 10 mm Auto. The 40 S&W was later developed as an outgrowth of a reduced recoil 10mm Auto load used by the FBI instead of the full power load.
From dnm3305's link:
In the aftermath, the FBI initially chose the Smith & Wesson 1076 chambered for the 10mm Auto round, but its sharp recoil proved too much for most agents to control effectively, and a special reduced velocity loading was developed - commonly referred to as the "10mm Lite" or "10mm FBI". Soon afterwards Smith and Wesson developed a shorter cased cartridge based on the 10mm, the .40 S&W.[27] This became more popular than its parent due to the ability to chamber in standard frame semi-automatic pistols initially designed for the 9 mm Parabellum.
Posted on 1/20/15 at 8:38 pm to FightinTigersDammit
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One agent lost his glasses when his car collided with the perps, and fought with uncorrected vision. Another agent, regarded as a very fine marksman, achieved ONE hit out of 29 rounds expended.
The guys carrying .38 snubbies were definitely outgunned.
And one agent lost his 357 Mag revolver during the initial collision. Only two agents had shotguns, but one couldn't get to his during the shootout. None of the agents had rifles. Only two of the agents were wearing ballistic vests, but they were rated only for pistol rounds. FBI tactics were also bad as 3 agents were shot from behind, including the 2 that were killed. There were a LOT more problems w/ the shootout than the fact that the agents were using revolvers and 9mm rounds that didn't penetrate deeply, but it was more "appropriate" for the FBI to blame something other than themselves.....
Posted on 1/20/15 at 8:40 pm to bapple
Single stack 9 is coming soon. Very soon.
Posted on 1/20/15 at 8:43 pm to Shexter
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and the Glock Melonite-type finish (no longer Tenifer due to US EPA regulations on some hazardous by-products)
This rumor has been floated about since 2012. Until someone offers proof, I call b.s.
The Tenifer is applied in Austria. Unless Obama has signed an executive order expanding the EPA's authority into Europe, this is still an urban myth promulgated by Ruger fanboys and other assorted Glock haters.
Posted on 1/22/15 at 11:22 am to dawg23
bump
Posted on 1/22/15 at 11:46 am to Carson123987
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Single stack 9 is coming soon.
Same size as the 42? That would be nice.
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