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re: Thoughts on The Hobbit: The Battle of 5 Armies (Spoilers)
Posted on 12/26/14 at 10:55 am to Jagd Tiger
Posted on 12/26/14 at 10:55 am to Jagd Tiger
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For the good additions: Adding the entire War of the Ring (LotR) thread was a nice addition if out of sync with the actual book. The battle between Sauron - Gandy/Galdariel/Elrond/Saruman never actually happened in that place at that time, at least, according to Tolkien, but it at least fits, tying in important and relevant characters to the impending monumental event. That scene could have even been better with some additions, maybe adding the sons of Elrond, (Elladan/Elrohir) who typically went with him on his orc harvesting safaris, but at least it wasn't a waste and wasn't poorly done.
This was my second favorite scene. Gandalf disappears in the book The Hobbit to go investigate the Necromancer and defeat him. We find out in the appendices to the Lord of the Rings that the Necromancer/Sauron was defeated by the white council at Dol Goldur. Isn't that the proper timing or am I missing something?
One of my biggest complaints of Lord of the Rings was the absence of the Dunedain (other than Aragorn) and Elrond's two sons, who come as a group to help fight. Since the sons of Elrond were totally absent from Lord of the Rings, they could not very well include them here. Plus, I do not think they were technically part of the White Council.
Posted on 12/26/14 at 11:48 am to LeonPhelps
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Gandalf disappears in the book The Hobbit to go investigate the Necromancer and defeat him. We find out in the appendices to the Lord of the Rings that the Necromancer/Sauron was defeated by the white council at Dol Goldur. Isn't that the proper timing or am I missing something?
Ok you may be right, the appendix may reference the White Council driving him out at that time, I was thinking it was far earlier before or around when Isildur defeated Sauron but the main story only mentions that "Gandalf alone dared to enter the dungeons of Dol Guldur and discover the identity of the Necromancer". Who the White Council is exactly was never implicitly stated but here is who the "encyclopedia of Arda" authors surmise it would be:
Celeborn, Galadriel, Cirdan, Glorfindel, Elrond, Thranduil, Saruman, Gandalf and Radagast.
They give pretty solid reasons why they would have all been "in the circle of trust".
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Since the sons of Elrond were totally absent from Lord of the Rings, they could not very well include them here.
Absent from the movie, yes, of course they are in the books or we wouldn't know they exist. Remember the movie isn't all that accurate, and the Sons of Elrond had some significant parts in "The Grey Company" as they pretty much formed the backbone of it along with Halbarad and the chief rangers of the north that traveled with Aragorn after the battle of Helms Deep, through the paths of the dead and fought with him at the Pelenor fields in front of Gondor.
Just seems like a major event like that might have had some more of the significant elf lords of the day at it, Glorfindel/Sons Of Elrond etc. In my view a lot of these throw away movie characters could have been ditched for actual characters from the books, but that's why I don't get to be the producer.
This post was edited on 12/26/14 at 12:05 pm
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