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re: Why is Texas so eager to execute an insane person?
Posted on 12/3/14 at 10:23 am to Big Scrub TX
Posted on 12/3/14 at 10:23 am to Big Scrub TX
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Are you sure it's as simple as "psychotic breaks"?
Of course - the guy wasn't a drooling imbecile - he would have been permanently institutionalized. He was married, had a child - he may have been schizophrenic and psychotic - almost certainly was. However, that does not elminate the possibility of the voluntary nature of some of his acts, particularly discontinuing medication that he knew was controlling his symptoms or the conscious act of symptom exaggeration to avoid the consequences of his actions.
All of these factors suggest he can be criminally liable for his actions and the justice system has given him his day in court.
Again - complicated situation, but I have little heartburn with the outcome.
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Posted on 12/3/14 at 10:26 am to Big Scrub TX
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Did you even read the article?
I read the opinon piece yesterday. It was full of incenuation and allegation towards the prosecuters, judge, and everyone else involved with the case, so it's difficult to provide an opinion on this one instance.
In general, I agree it's a tough problem to manage. The author said the state failed him prior to the murders, but is that really where the accountability lies for his treatment? If he has prescribed medication, but is non-compliant, resulting in psychosis, who should be accountable? Him? His family?
This whole country is a massive fail regarding available mental health benefits, from CMS to private insurers. But it's difficult for me to just remove all accountability from the patient for his actions. If a former football player with significant CTS murders his family (likely to happen at some point), does the mentally incompetent defense hold water for him, or is it the NFL's fault? It's analagous to what the good doctor is stating in this article. That is was the states fault this guy murdered his family. I have a hard time buying that.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 10:28 am to MSMHater
It is interesting that so many Christian Conservative Republicans can't wait to execute someone who is mentally ill.
It makes them look like hypocrites. Of course they'll pull something out of the Old Testament or something some Baptist Minister said to justify it instead of looking at what Jesus said and did.
Keeping him in jail for the rest of his life is no miscarriage of justice.
It makes them look like hypocrites. Of course they'll pull something out of the Old Testament or something some Baptist Minister said to justify it instead of looking at what Jesus said and did.
Keeping him in jail for the rest of his life is no miscarriage of justice.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 10:31 am to Ralph_Wiggum
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Keeping him in jail for the rest of his life is no miscarriage of justice.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 10:31 am to MSMHater
yo commish
the courts have an insane insanity clause, so libs be like argument over
the courts have an insane insanity clause, so libs be like argument over
Posted on 12/3/14 at 10:31 am to Ralph_Wiggum
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It is interesting that so many Christian Conservative Republicans can't wait to execute someone who is mentally ill. It makes them look like hypocrites. Of course they'll pull something out of the Old Testament or something some Baptist Minister said to justify it instead of looking at what Jesus said and did.
I'll assume this is just a general statement, and not directed to me.
B/c as an athiest, socially liberal person, I still have trouble finding sympathy. Healthcare is a two-way street, and when you're non-compliant with treatment, you should ulitmately be responsible.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 10:31 am to Ralph_Wiggum
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It is interesting that so many Christian Conservative Republicans can't wait to execute someone who is mentally ill.
It makes them look like hypocrites.
Incorrect. Being a Christian and a conservative in no way implies that one must oppose capital punishment. This is a reach on your part.
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Keeping him in jail for the rest of his life is no miscarriage of justice.
Neither is executing him.
What a laughably fallacious "argument" on your part, I must say
Posted on 12/3/14 at 10:31 am to Ralph_Wiggum
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Keeping him in jail for the rest of his life is no miscarriage of justice.
bullshite Ralph - either he committed the crimes or he didn't. He certainly committed the acts. If they're not his responsbility - at all - then he should be free to move into the house next to you, stop taking his medication, then kill you and yours, rinse repeat.
If he's permanently, untreatably sick, then he needs to be in a hospital.
If you agree he should be in jail for the rest of his life, then you shouldn't have a problem with the death penalty for him.
Unless this is all just a Gruber-style attack on the death penalty, generally...
Ralph - are you in favor of the death penalty in any situation?
This post was edited on 12/3/14 at 10:33 am
Posted on 12/3/14 at 10:32 am to Ralph_Wiggum
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Keeping him in jail for the rest of his life is no miscarriage of justice.
Keeping someone in jail with a mental illness is cruel. They should let people like yourself care for him.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 10:32 am to Big Scrub TX
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The man is Scott Panetti, a hopelessly unhinged paranoid schizophrenic. No one disputes that in 1992, Panetti gunned down the mother and father of his estranged wife in cold blood. No one disputes that this was a horrendous wastage of innocent human life.
Nor does anyone dispute that at the time, Panetti was enmeshed in deep psychosis. His madness was no secret. He had been hospitalized 14 times before the killings.
The hospital system failed him. It could not or did not protect him from his demons, though regimens of medication and psychiatric supervision have repeatedly been shown to stabilize patients in his condition. Maybe his caregivers were overworked in an underfunded system.
Then the Texas courts failed him. At his murder trial, the judge permitted this manifestly brain-ravaged man to act as his own lawyer. What a hoot that must have been. Reporters in the courtroom described Panetti as duded up in cowboy clothes, prancing around and ranting about Satan, an obsession typical for the psychotically insane.
The hospitals didn't fail him, the state didn't fail him, Nature failed him. This guy is as about as mentally unstable as anyone can be and has killed because of it. There's no reason NOT to put him down.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 10:32 am to Big Scrub TX
didnt texas execute a retard a few years ago?
a full retard, not someone slow. but full on drooling idiot.
I mean its texas, they do not value life very highly outside of fetuses.
a full retard, not someone slow. but full on drooling idiot.
I mean its texas, they do not value life very highly outside of fetuses.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 10:33 am to Big Scrub TX
We would have a lot fewer "insane" people if the "insane" murderers were executed.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 10:35 am to Hawkeye95
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didnt texas execute a retard a few years ago?
contemplating sig quote
Posted on 12/3/14 at 10:36 am to Big Scrub TX
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Why is Texas so eager to execute an insane person?
If I were as crazy as you I'd worry about it as well.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 10:37 am to Hawkeye95
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didnt texas execute a retard a few years ago?
Mentally or intellectually disabled, yes.
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a full retard, not someone slow. but full on drooling idiot.
Not exactly. He had an IQ of 61, which is quite low, but also had multiple arrests for robbery. He was executed for the kidnapping and murder of a police informant who had told the police he was dealing cocaine.
Good riddance to him as well. You bleeding hearts are worse at picking sympathetic death row inmates as you are at selecting high profile white on black murder victims to martyr.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 10:38 am to Hawkeye95
You know nothing about Texas 
Posted on 12/3/14 at 10:39 am to Big Scrub TX
Well, the article presents one side of the debate. The CNN article links to Slate which then links to Mother Jones.
All one needs in order to be competent for execution is “the mental capacity to understand the nature of the death penalty and the reasons why it was imposed upon him.” Having mental illness is no necessarily a barrier to that understanding.
This is a separate issue from competence to stand trial(he was found competent) or whether he was insane at the time of the crime( found sane at the time). Merely having mental illness does not mean one can't commit a crime and know right from wrong. The article is biased and the jury surely heard more than the anti-death penalty people are going to be honest about.
All one needs in order to be competent for execution is “the mental capacity to understand the nature of the death penalty and the reasons why it was imposed upon him.” Having mental illness is no necessarily a barrier to that understanding.
This is a separate issue from competence to stand trial(he was found competent) or whether he was insane at the time of the crime( found sane at the time). Merely having mental illness does not mean one can't commit a crime and know right from wrong. The article is biased and the jury surely heard more than the anti-death penalty people are going to be honest about.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 10:39 am to TbirdSpur2010
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You know nothing about Texas
besides living there for 7 years, I agree.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 10:39 am to Big Scrub TX
Perhaps as we are now entering an election year in Louisiana for governor it is time to ask why there have been so few executions in Louisiana and should we abolish the death penalty?
Should support of the death penalty be a campaign issue this year in Louisiana?
Should support of the death penalty be a campaign issue this year in Louisiana?
Posted on 12/3/14 at 10:41 am to Big Scrub TX
The only speedbump to the gov executing any one of us is due process.
Did he get the process due?
Did he get the process due?
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