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should we consider changing to a 3-4 defense?
Posted on 10/6/14 at 3:25 pm
Posted on 10/6/14 at 3:25 pm
i'm sure there are a lot of great reasons and reasons not to, but i think that we should strongly consider switching from a 4-3 to a 3-4.
first, chavis doesn't blitz much. one of the big advantages to having 4 DLs is that they can take advantage of confusion from the OL when the LBs and DBs blitz, changing the OL gap assignments and causing mistakes. in a 3-4, the DL are responsible for fewer sacks & TFLs on passing downs, but that's the same boat that our current 4-3 DLs are in right now, anyway.
second, while we don't have a wealth of traditional nose tackles on the roster, we have more DEs and DTs who can play DE than we have effective DTs (bain, gilmore, thomas, lacouture, m johnson, and LMFAO are the DTs who wouldn't switch to DE, but i count 10 DTs and DEs who could play either DE or LB in a 3-4, in additional to the 14 LBs we currently have). it would seem to me that we can get more talent on the field in the 3-4, rather than having to settle on DTs that aren't lighting the world on fire taking up one of the 11 spots on the field.
three, whether or not we ever run the spread, it is now a ubiquitous reality of college football -even in the SEC. and, frankly, i think that the best way to stop the read-option offenses are 3-4s where the LB assignments are more difficult to determine by the QB pre-snap.
four, we don't have a huge number of examples to draw from, but we essentially beat manziel both times because we ran more of a 3-4 and were able to keep him contained. i don't know that these two examples exactly translate to across-the-board success, but i have liked 3 down lineman sets when we've run them.
chavis ain't gonna change what he does, so i know the likelihood of us switching to a 3-4 is low while he's still our DC, but i really think this is the way to go for us, moving forward.
spare me your flames. if you disagree with me, i respect that, but tell me why. i'm interested in a conversation, here -not in a message board pissing contest.
first, chavis doesn't blitz much. one of the big advantages to having 4 DLs is that they can take advantage of confusion from the OL when the LBs and DBs blitz, changing the OL gap assignments and causing mistakes. in a 3-4, the DL are responsible for fewer sacks & TFLs on passing downs, but that's the same boat that our current 4-3 DLs are in right now, anyway.
second, while we don't have a wealth of traditional nose tackles on the roster, we have more DEs and DTs who can play DE than we have effective DTs (bain, gilmore, thomas, lacouture, m johnson, and LMFAO are the DTs who wouldn't switch to DE, but i count 10 DTs and DEs who could play either DE or LB in a 3-4, in additional to the 14 LBs we currently have). it would seem to me that we can get more talent on the field in the 3-4, rather than having to settle on DTs that aren't lighting the world on fire taking up one of the 11 spots on the field.
three, whether or not we ever run the spread, it is now a ubiquitous reality of college football -even in the SEC. and, frankly, i think that the best way to stop the read-option offenses are 3-4s where the LB assignments are more difficult to determine by the QB pre-snap.
four, we don't have a huge number of examples to draw from, but we essentially beat manziel both times because we ran more of a 3-4 and were able to keep him contained. i don't know that these two examples exactly translate to across-the-board success, but i have liked 3 down lineman sets when we've run them.
chavis ain't gonna change what he does, so i know the likelihood of us switching to a 3-4 is low while he's still our DC, but i really think this is the way to go for us, moving forward.
spare me your flames. if you disagree with me, i respect that, but tell me why. i'm interested in a conversation, here -not in a message board pissing contest.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 3:27 pm to DontCare
I say we move Welter to DE or Safety.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 3:28 pm to DontCare
The transition would be extremely brutal.
No, please no.
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but i count 10 DTs and DEs who could play either DE or LB in a 3-4, in additional to the 14 LBs we currently have)
No, please no.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 3:30 pm to DontCare
Does it matter? The line and the backers suck.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 3:30 pm to c on z
Should LSU just dismantle the program or drop down to the American Athletic Conference
Posted on 10/6/14 at 3:30 pm to c on z
We don't have the personnel to just switch defensive fronts. Our 4-3 ends are not 3-4 ends, and our smallish LBs are not 3-4 LBs. We just don't have the depth and experience at DT and MLB to stop anybody up the middle.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 3:32 pm to DontCare
If we go to a 3-4 who is going to play NG?
If you don't have a nose guard you don't have a 3-4 defense. LSU doesn't have a nose guard.
If you don't have a nose guard you don't have a 3-4 defense. LSU doesn't have a nose guard.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 3:34 pm to TigerintheNO
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If we go to a 3-4 who is going to play NG?
It's funny that people would miss this crucial point, not that Chavis would switch. If Valentine is eligible and legit, you consider it if you can find one more guy with the true size and skills to occupy two blockers. Without him, it's impossible.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 3:34 pm to sjmabry
We are basically playing a 2-5 now. In past years we had no problem finding DL but now it's a struggle to find the right guys for Chavis's system. I would like to see us switch some where down the road.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 3:36 pm to offshoretrash
we dont have 3 good linebackers why would we want to put 4 players on the field. Would rather we moved to a 5 man front than go lighter. Would prefer a 5-2-4
Posted on 10/6/14 at 3:42 pm to Houston Texas Tiger
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we dont have 3 good linebackers why would we want to put 4 players on the field.
Yes we do, Hunter and Rasco are 3-4 linebackers not 4-3 DEs.
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Would rather we moved to a 5 man front than go lighter.
We would then get killed by spread teams.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 3:44 pm to offshoretrash
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We would then get killed by spread teams.
so we would be about the same?
Posted on 10/6/14 at 3:50 pm to Jwho77
Yea, valentine is literally the only person who even comes close to being able to play nose guard. IF we switched to a 3-4 (which we're not going to do) we would have to flip a backup O-lineman to play NG.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 4:08 pm to UpToPar
Sure, in the offseason. We don't have the time to make that kind of change, even if we had the players.
These players can't spend all day practicing due to restrictions.
Same reason we can't just up and change to the spread.
These players can't spend all day practicing due to restrictions.
Same reason we can't just up and change to the spread.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 4:15 pm to Topwater Trout
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so we would be about the same?
Chavis has a proven track record of stopping spread teams with this defense. He is at fault for keeping players on the field that should be on the bench. What he did to Oregon in their prime when Chip Kelly was there, could not have been done by anyone else including Saban.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 4:17 pm to offshoretrash
i am talking about this year
Posted on 10/6/14 at 4:18 pm to nicholastiger
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drop down to the American Athletic Conference
I think our next stop should be the SunBelt...we could be perennial champs and go to the N'awlins bowl every year...and then, once we get a coach everyone loves, maybe we can get back in the SEC...
Posted on 10/6/14 at 4:22 pm to theBru
Ole Piss used this scheme frequent to beat bama... And they don't necessarily have bigger than LSU guys. Helped them out a lot I don't see how it would hurt is honestly. If welter is that good as is beckwith, why not put em both back there. We afraid of letting a 500 yard game with 40 pts being scored? Oh, wait....
Posted on 10/6/14 at 4:36 pm to DontCare
No.
The key to a 3-4 D is a beast NT in the middle. We dont have that.
And we are already weak in the middle. Moving to a 3-4 would make us even weaker.
If there ever was a year where we could make the switch to the 3-4 D, it would be the 2011 and 2012 teams.
The key to a 3-4 D is a beast NT in the middle. We dont have that.
And we are already weak in the middle. Moving to a 3-4 would make us even weaker.
If there ever was a year where we could make the switch to the 3-4 D, it would be the 2011 and 2012 teams.
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